Online Poker Forum - Zoinks!!! 2.25 6 man SNG please comment

jaejaejae

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 2.25 Tournament, 80/160 Blinds (5 handed) - Converter Tool from

UTG (t2455)
MP (t1705)
Button (t2280)
Hero (SB) (t1805)
BB (t755)

Hero's M: 7.52

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4

, A

UTG calls t160, 2 folds, Hero calls t80, BB checks

Flop: (t480) 6

, A

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets t480, Hero raises to t960, 1 fold, UTG raises to t2295 (All-In), Hero calls t685 (All-In)

Turn: (t3770) 7

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3770) 2

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t3770

Results:
Hero had 4

, A

(three of a kind, Aces).
UTG had 6

, 6

(full house, sixes over Aces).
Outcome: UTG won t3770

Let me explain and then I would like to hear any advice.

My read on the table is that it is fairly tight... I'm playing my typical TAG (or what I want to preceive as TAG)

I've hit a few hands with premium cards earlier in the game (that the table saw) and have been folding a lot...

The two hands before this I pre-flop raise 3-4 bb with A/7 os and A/9 os I believe they are reading me as a TAG player and I was trying to steal the blinds with these hands... which I was success full both times.

So when I got the A/4os on my third hand I didn't want to push my luck and look like I was just being pushy and get caught... so I just limped in hoping to get a nice flop and look weak with my limp. Bingo... got an awesome flop... and limping in as the SB who would think I have an A?

So I'm hoping my limp call pre flop makes it look like the flop was not good for me so I check it knowing I'm going to re-raise any bet.

Well it all worked out as planned with the exception that he caught a better flop Shocked

How badly did I play this hand?
How do I put him on 66?
Putting people on a hand seems to be harder than I ever thought... I just recently started trying and to be honest I can't tell you what I put him on... because once I saw the flop it all went out the window. LOL

Any advice would be great... If I could have used a suck out it was on this hand. Wink

NilesMonkey · Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:35 am Post subject:

You shouldn't be looking to put people on a specific hand; you need to think in terms of hand ranges. In order to do this, you need to figure out exactly what type of player you're up against.

Did you have a read on UTG? Was he loose or tight? Did you notice him limp in at any other point? If so, what cards did he limp with? How often did he bet on the flop, and what size? Is he capable of bluff-betting a flop out of position?

This is a really strange hand. For starters, your stack size is awkward - it's just a little too big for shoving in this situation. If you raise and both the BB and UTG call, you'll be committing yourself with any c-bet. An ace three-handed is pretty strong, so folding doesn't seem right. Maybe limping is ok, but I would lean towards either shoving or folding here.

As for the flop.... once again, strange. The min-raise is bad; any type of raise commits you, so you might as well shove here. The thing that irks me is that you will most likely end up folding out worse or getting called by better hands. If UTG has the last ace, you're either splitting or losing; you're drawing to one out against pocket sixes. The only thing that you're going to get value from is pocket pairs, unless UTG limped in with 6-x.

bleffo19 · Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:41 am Post subject:

this is an unlucky cooler. you're playing a $2 tournament which is full of donks. expect them to turn up with anything here, including 76 sooooooted or A2o.

you were extremely short-stacked to begin with, so once you saw the flop there was no getting away from it. i will echo niles in that i don't really like the limp pre here. you have just over 10BB and an M of less than 10 - it's time to start shoving pre. with this hand that is marginal at best, it's either fold or shove. with your stack size and a limper though, this will be based on your perception of the UTG limper. what hands does he limp? does he often limp/call or limp/fold pre? will he call us off light? these will influence your decision on whether it's the time to shove. i would say shove away.

after that it was pretty standard, but i don't like the min-raise. just go ahead and shove. doesn't make much difference, but not shoving is kind of a poor play, especially as it leaves you with about 4BB's left. get used to shoving in spots like this rather than min-raising, as when you have slightly more chips than in this scenario it will give you much better fold-equity, of which you have zero here. some may argue that after the limper bet pot you *COULD* fold, but this short there's no way i would get away from the hand. also, at this level i see hundreds of people that love betting pot as a bluff because they think it's the most effective amount to bet to get rid of chasers. so unless you've seen him bet pot before and showdown something (either nuts or air), you can't take much from that.

Azonicbh · Pair Joined: 02 Aug 2009 Posts: 48

This is in fact an unlucky cooler but I would avoid playing weak aces altogether in a spot like this where there are several limpers especially in middle of the tournament where you are almost on the 10bb point like this.

- You have a hand that plays very badly in a multiway pot . If you ace were suited , it would be a bit more justifiable.

- Your hand will often be second best unless you hit 2 pair or 3 of a kind. If you hit your ace , you'll be put in a very difficult decision usually for most of your chips or a big chunk of them and out of position with top pair , weak kicker.

- Even if you limp in the early stages with a weak unsuited ace (A8 or lower) it will be very difficult to play in a multiway pot. Even a good postflop deeper stack player would have trouble making this play profitable.

- If you find yourself in a similar spot , but have a hand that plays well postflop , then a limp wouldn't be all that bad since you'll either hit the flop very hard or miss it and just fold. If not , it will just bring you more problems than anything. By hands that play well , here are some guidelines. (Small pocket pairs , suited connectors 45+ , suited gappers, and even unsuited connectors such as 76 , 910 , j10 etc. and suited weak aces.)

For this specific hand , it was a cooler , but you can avoid these situations altogether by not playing these type of hands in the sb.

I can't say I disagree with people said already. The min raising on the flop I don't like either. Just shove if you are going to play the hand.

MISISIPI-BECK · Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject:

Online Poker Forum at Full Tilt Poker