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Fat Muttony
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Joined: 30 Nov 2008
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 Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: Worst beat of my life so far: Pocket Qs get cracked |
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Was there anything that I could have done different?
Here's the hand history:
Level - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:02:44 ET - 2009/04/22
Seat 1: easycall2 (10,025)
Seat 2: jbeanmacncheese (9,959)
Seat 3: Fat Muttony (7,122)
Seat 4: MAX106 (8,835)
Seat 5: KitKor (8,000)
Seat 6: sekes67 (16,375)
easycall2 antes 25
jbeanmacncheese antes 25
Fat Muttony antes 25
MAX106 antes 25
KitKor antes 25
sekes67 antes 25
KitKor posts the small blind of 150
sekes67 posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Fat Muttony [Qs Qc]
easycall2 calls 300
jbeanmacncheese calls 300
Fat Muttony has 15 seconds left to act
Fat Muttony raises to 1,000
MAX106 folds
KitKor folds
sekes67 has 15 seconds left to act
sekes67 calls 700
easycall2 folds
jbeanmacncheese folds
*** FLOP *** [8h 5c 6d]
sekes67 bets 1,200
Fat Muttony raises to 4,400
sekes67 calls 3,200
*** TURN *** [8h 5c 6d] [8d]
sekes67 has 15 seconds left to act
sekes67 bets 1,800
Fat Muttony calls 1,697, and is all in
sekes67 shows [Ac 7s]
Fat Muttony shows [Qs Qc]
Uncalled bet of 103 returned to sekes67
*** RIVER *** [8h 5c 6d 8d] [4s]
sekes67 shows a straight, Eight high
Fat Muttony shows two pair, Queens and Eights
sekes67 wins the pot (15,094) with a straight, Eight high
Fat Muttony stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 15,094 | Rake 0
Board: [8h 5c 6d 8d 4s]
Seat 1: easycall2 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: jbeanmacncheese folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Fat Muttony showed [Qs Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 4: MAX106 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: KitKor (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: sekes67 (big blind) showed [Ac 7s] and won (15,094) with a straight, Eight high
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adam27x
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| you'll take beats way worse than this if you keep playing |
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jeffr8
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| lol @ that being your worst beat of your life |
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ohsnapzbrah
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Simple. You didn't raise enough pre-flop. There were already 2 limpers before you acted, so raising just 3.3x the BB won't do it. The BB essentially has 3.5 to 1 pot odds to call, so its pretty much an easy call for him. The two limpers should have called also, as there was almost 3K in the pot. With your hand and the raisers, I would recommend 3-5xBB pf raise PLUS an addition of one BB for every limper behind you, so that way if the BB or the limpers call, you have a good idea of what they have, and the BB would have been the one to commit the mistake instead of you.
Oh, this isn't a bad beat btw. |
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ThunderCrew
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Here is one for you.
Kh Ks vs XX
Preflop raised 4x bb one caller
Flop Kd Kc 2h (I check they lead out big I reraise minimum thier bet they shove all in I gladly call)
Turn 4h
River 5h
I lost  They had A and 3 of Hearts
In that same session I again flop KK quads 2 times and lost both to Running turn river aces for pocket aces.
Runners suck !! |
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Fat Muttony
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Joined: 30 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| jeffr8 wrote: |
| lol @ that being your worst beat of your life |
Well, maybe I should explain. It was a $1 MTT and from 780 entries, we were down to 95 with 84 places getting paid. I was at # 43 or thereabouts when this hand happened. And if I had won this pot, I could have got a lot closer to $160 for first place (yes, extrapolating heavily, I know!).
And I've built my BR to $20 from winning freerolls and micro cash games.
So, yeah, worst so far. |
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Fat Muttony
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ohsnapzbrah wrote: |
| Simple. You didn't raise enough pre-flop. There were already 2 limpers ... |
Aah... I see. But in all the beginner's books/videos the pros advise you to raise the same amount (3 to 5 BB) irrespective of how big your hand is so as to not give away the strength of your hand. Is this wrong advice? |
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HuJwang
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| you were 42% to lose, practically a coinflip... |
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ThunderCrew
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm still wondering if there is a "strictly online poker book" LMAO.
Since alot of times all the "rules" are void against online playing |
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ohsnapzbrah
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Fat Muttony wrote: |
| ohsnapzbrah wrote: |
| Simple. You didn't raise enough pre-flop. There were already 2 limpers ... |
Aah... I see. But in all the beginner's books/videos the pros advise you to raise the same amount (3 to 5 BB) irrespective of how big your hand is so as to not give away the strength of your hand. Is this wrong advice? |
Yeah, a lot of them do say that, but sometimes you have to make up your own rules. Me, I like to raise 3xBB 90% of the time that noone has limped in before me. And I just made my own rule up of adding a BB to the raise for every limper before I act. This is so that I don't get mediocre hands the right odds to call my bet, whereas if I had bet just 3xBB with limpers before me, the pots odds are enormous for the rest of the table. |
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HighKey
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| ThunderCrew wrote: |
Here is one for you.
Kh Ks vs XX
Preflop raised 4x bb one caller
Flop Kd Kc 2h (I check they lead out big I reraise minimum thier bet they shove all in I gladly call)
Turn 4h
River 5h
I lost They had A and 3 of Hearts
In that same session I again flop KK quads 2 times and lost both to Running turn river aces for pocket aces.
Runners suck !! |
Just three days ago I witnessed someone with pocket Js flop 7-J-7, turn was a blank, river was another 7, and he lost to someone with 7-3 offsuit.
My worst beat ever was when I had AA in the hole, the other guy had KK, an Ace came on the flop, the turn was a K, and the river was another K. (That beat was so bad, the casino gave me $7700. BBJs aren't all bad after all.) |
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CompleteDonk
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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IF THIS WAS THE WORST BEAT OF MY LIFE I WOULD BE SO **** HAPPY AND BE A MILLIONAIRE
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Kam1972
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Fat Muttony wrote: |
| ohsnapzbrah wrote: |
| Simple. You didn't raise enough pre-flop. There were already 2 limpers ... |
Aah... I see. But in all the beginner's books/videos the pros advise you to raise the same amount (3 to 5 BB) irrespective of how big your hand is so as to not give away the strength of your hand. Is this wrong advice? |
Normally the 3xbb rule is if you are first to open the pot. So if you got couple of limpers and you raise it good chance you give a marginal hand odds to call. This no bad thing if just one of them calls, but you don't want to many in pot with you. HU is ideal, which you actually got, but it was just a shame he flopped an open ended straight and its 57%-40% coin flip in your favour. So you going to lose this 1 out of 3 times, which means not the worst beat you will get in poker sadly. hehe  |
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WhatASurprise
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| OP is going to need so much threapy after that one! |
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Lucky_Bub
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| lol @ the title imo. |
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