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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:50 am    Post subject: Why Good Players Win at Fixed Limit Reply with quote

In fixed limit, you will never be crippled by a bad beat in fixed limit as much as you would in no limit. I feel that if you are a smart player, luck will not play as much a part in your earnings in fixed limit as there is in no limit. This is especially true for tournaments. You won't be put all in on the first hand, unlike many tournaments, and lose. In fixed limit, as you all know, your opponent (and yourself) can only bet so much. Take pocket aces for example. If you get dealt AdAh in a limit tournament, and get raised on a flop of 6c7c8c, you don't need to fear having to make an all in decision. You can call a minimum bet (in fixed limit this is the maximum) and have a chance to see the turn. If the turn brings a fourth club, you only lost a few chips. Had it been no limit, you likely would have been all in pre-flop, and if not, faced a large bet pre/post flop. No, big deal' just one beat. Nothing that is going to knock you out of the tournament. This can be said for limit, but no limit is a whole different story. Hope you enjoyed.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, but you are vulnerable to more beats over time because your ability to protect your hand is hampered. In your above example in NLHE, a good-sized raise pre-flop could possibly push out anyone who would have connectors to that flop. In LHE, a raise will likely get one or two callers to the flop.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is very true...once i had pocket aces and raised pre flop, and was re-raised..and i also re-raised...gues what...the flop comes 6 6 T, and i keep raising...and the flop and turn comes up 2 and K...unfortunately i lost because the idiotic player was raising pre flop with an A 6...and this is just one encounter...i lost many times with solid hands because these donks especially at lower limits call raises with pathetic hands and manage to get just the cards they want...so i think it all depends on what kind of playerss your playing with...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

karthikt85 wrote:
This is very true...once i had pocket aces and raised pre flop, and was re-raised..and i also re-raised...gues what...the flop comes 6 6 T, and i keep raising...and the flop and turn comes up 2 and K...unfortunately i lost because the idiotic player was raising pre flop with an A 6...and this is just one encounter...i lost many times with solid hands because these donks especially at lower limits call raises with pathetic hands and manage to get just the cards they want...so i think it all depends on what kind of playerss your playing with...


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and I think the worst kind of opponent one plays against is one who doesn't have even a faint idea about pot odds and hand probabilities, and many times these "PLAYERS" pull off astonishing wins because lady luck smiles on them. And I know it's my mistake but I get aggressive against these players and end up giving them more money and finally end up on the tilt.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

karthikt85 wrote:
and I think the worst kind of opponent one plays against is one who doesn't have even a faint idea about pot odds and hand probabilities, and many times these "PLAYERS" pull off astonishing wins because lady luck smiles on them. And I know it's my mistake but I get aggressive against these players and end up giving them more money and finally end up on the tilt.


Once again: LOL.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

karthikt85 wrote:
and I think the worst kind of opponent one plays against is one who doesn't have even a faint idea about pot odds and hand probabilities, and many times these "PLAYERS" pull off astonishing wins because lady luck smiles on them. And I know it's my mistake but I get aggressive against these players and end up giving them more money and finally end up on the tilt.


You should welcome those players. Yes, it is truly frustrating to lose to lady luck when you opponent looks at his 4-6 offsuit and says "lets go for a straight" and either gets it on the river or the flop comes 4 - 6 - T rainbow and you play your A-A wth all your confidence.

First, at those limits, a bad session doesn't mean no food on the table. It's nothing more than the price of a poker lesson if you can find out what went wrong. Second, lady luck doesn't smile at anybody. It's quite the opposite. 6 - 4 offsuit and he cold called my raise. How many times do you think he's going to win with this. If you read, study, play, ask for advice,etc. luck is the only way he can win against you. Talent and experience will crush him. Just don't give up. Sooner or later, you'll be looking for them at the tables.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just grunching from OP, something that I didn't believe and slowly came to realize as the data poured in is limit actually has more variance than NL although the hand by hand swings are smaller. It seems counter intuitive for the reasons you posted.

the only thing that i've found the smooth this variance is playing winning poker (which is a moving target) and # of hands. The fruition of which is only realized after 10,000's of hands (and usually takes more).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Small bankroll players that can't afford the downswings brought on by NL games will do better in fixed limit if they are a good player. I think my post applies more for low stakes players then to players like durrrr.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please remove the link in your signature, surfer_bum1.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deadmoney314 wrote:
just grunching from OP, something that I didn't believe and slowly came to realize as the data poured in is limit actually has more variance than NL although the hand by hand swings are smaller. It seems counter intuitive for the reasons you posted.

the only thing that i've found the smooth this variance is playing winning poker (which is a moving target) and # of hands. The fruition of which is only realized after 10,000's of hands (and usually takes more).


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heh ya, and I still got a few hundred on full tilt that I haven't had the time to mess with. Thinking about checking out HEM since PT3 made my sweet laptop start up kinda slow. Just hope I'm not too much of a dinosaur to run with the new breed, seeya around
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