Online Poker Forum - why do i even bother c betting out of pos!!

LiamHooks · Full House Joined: 22 Dec 2008 Posts: 231

A while ago i gave up c betting out of pos at low blinds as i will nearly always have my around 2/3 bet flat called and ill have to five up if i dont hit on turn, or im re raised, pretty much every time. So i started just doing this at mid and high blinds, but lately it doesnt even matter.

Here is the hand below,i actually even contemplated just pushing my 16 or so bbs! as im only worried about him tripping with aa or kk! because i knew this would happen. I have copied the convertd hand below

I have no idea other ways to play this hand other than push which seems absurd but sounds totally reasonable atm or just check my AK and play a small pot out of but not really get value for it if it hit.

So fed up lately, cant hit nothing, terrible month

Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (5 handed) - Converter Tool from

saw flop | saw showdown

UTG (t3938)
MP (t2144)
Button (t2216)
SB (t2667)
Hero (BB) (t2535)

Hero's M: 11.27

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, K

UTG calls t150, 3 folds, Hero bets t600, UTG calls t450

Flop: (t1275) Q

, 7

, 4

(2 players)
Hero bets t800, UTG calls t800

Turn: (t2875) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t400, Hero folds

Total pot: t2875

Results:
UTG didn't show
Outcome: UTG won t2875

drkato · Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject:

I think it is fine shoving this pre, or planning on shoving the flop regardless. For the latter (and my preferred choice), I would probably bet more that 3x, setting up for the 2-step shove (aka, the stop 'n go).

This is a pretty good article that talks about this spot, and plays to make...

http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/articles/34

cardfish2

LiamHooks · Full House Joined: 22 Dec 2008 Posts: 231

when you put it that way it makes total sense, so what you reccomend pushing AK here AQ? TT+ ?

drkato · Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject:

LiamHooks · Full House Joined: 22 Dec 2008 Posts: 231

well yeah obviously im only scared off aa and kk i dont wanna call from a pp but hes unlikely to call with worse than qq maybe jj, to borh im flipping, argh should pf pushed it, still learning. So the hands i mention pushing, would they all seem reasonable? or maybe slightly looser or tighter depending on my opponent

drkato · Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:51 pm Post subject:

LiamHooks · Full House Joined: 22 Dec 2008 Posts: 231

okay thanks a lot for the advice guys

Azonicbh · Pair Joined: 02 Aug 2009 Posts: 48

Keep in mind , when the blinds are higher make sure you keep an eye out for some people who will continue limping with less than premium hands. Even if you have in the 15bb range , and there is one or 2 limpers before it gets to you , its actually a good play to just shove as the added money in the pot makes it worth while stealing. It might be a bit questionable if you're the first one in , shoving for 15bb but a fine play if there is already what seems to be dead money into the pot.

As for continuation betting , DONT always do it , but do it most of the time. There are a lot of things you should factor in when you CBET. For example.

-How many callers have you got ? if only one, you should be more likely to continuation bet whether your hit or not. If multiple callers , you should be more reluctant to bet if you miss.
-Texture of the board. If it contains J10x and you missed , proceed with caution even more so if there is a flush draw on board.
- If you CBet , will it pot commit you to the pot ?
- Have you been called by one or more calling stations ? If so , be warry of cbeting against those kind of players unless you have a hand postflop.

All in all , I would advice to CBET MOST of the time , but always adjust your cbeting to the situation.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Moderator Joined: 27 Jun 2005 Posts: 9531 Location: Mypos

jongreenway posted a nice thread about a year ago about having to double-barrel c-bet because so many people were starting to float the flop. Double-barreling is a sure profit maker, if you d-b the right turns. But in general, yeah, c-betting out of position usually isn't good.

LiamHooks · Full House Joined: 22 Dec 2008 Posts: 231

Greta advice Azon. Thanks!

Devilz91 · Four of a Kind Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 344

This hand is played badly because it costs way too much of your stack to raise and then cbet any flop hit or miss OOP, which is exactly what happened. I would have just shoved pre given UTG limp. If you really have to raise, you should probably just make it 3x.

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