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quantumsuicide
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Weird PokerTracker Stats (!) Reply with quote

First of all don't believe the site is rigged in order to favour some players because that makes no sense.

Anyway i got poker tracker and find this weird:

~17000 hands

4 straight flushes ~1 in 4250 hands should be 1 in 65000
27 four of a kind ~1 in 629 hands should be 1 in 3900
275 full houses ~1 in 61 hands should be 1 in 590
332 flushes ~1 in 51 hands should be 1 in 270
523 straights ~1 in 32 hands should be 1 in 130


Explain it to me, please

tx
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol... I would love that. That is just a sick good run of cards, unless you are getting cold decked somehow. But that looks like a really good run of cards to me, thats all
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

does it track all the hands that dont make it to a showdown, many crappy hands sometimes get folded. It seems kind of funny that hands with flopped straight flushes dont get folded more often. if this is your last 17000 hands if played to the showdown I wouldn't be telling anyone.
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quantumsuicide
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These include folded hands of course. But in what way is that statistically relevant?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Weird PokerTracker Stats (!) Reply with quote

quantumsuicide wrote:
First of all don't believe the site is rigged in order to favour some players because that makes no sense.

Anyway i got poker tracker and find this weird:

~17000 hands

4 straight flushes ~1 in 4250 hands should be 1 in 65000
27 four of a kind ~1 in 629 hands should be 1 in 3900
275 full houses ~1 in 61 hands should be 1 in 590
332 flushes ~1 in 51 hands should be 1 in 270
523 straights ~1 in 32 hands should be 1 in 130


Explain it to me, please

tx

First 17K is a small sample, obviously.
Second where did you get "should be" figures?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not aware of PT tracking folded hands, but I could be wrong
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quantumsuicide
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://poker.oddschecker.com/poker-features/poker-odds/poker-hand-odds.html


check it here..
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quantumsuicide
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SmellsLikeDonk wrote:
I'm not aware of PT tracking folded hands, but I could be wrong


It tracks it.. Marks with a "Folded pre flop" for example..
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell me more.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you aren't using the reference site right. It doesn't say (which is silly, they need to be clear here about what odds they are actually giving you), but I bet those odds from that site are the odds of making those hands when dealt 5 cards. In Hold 'Em, you get to see 7 cards and then make your best 5 card hand. That makes a pretty huge difference in how often these hands hit.

Actually, here, I found this:
http://www.pokerhands.com/poker_odds.html

scroll down to the bottom and it compares 5 card odds to 7 card odds. The 5 card odds seem to be pretty close to the other site (str8 flush odds are off, others are very close), but the 7 card odds are what you should be looking at to compare to your PT stats, assuming they are accurate. On the other hand, if you wanted to just look and see how many times you would have FLOPPED particular hands, you can use the 5 card stats. I have no idea if PT does that though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Weird PokerTracker Stats (!) Reply with quote

quantumsuicide wrote:
First of all don't believe the site is rigged in order to favour some players because that makes no sense.

Anyway i got poker tracker and find this weird:

~17000 hands

4 straight flushes ~1 in 4250 hands should be 1 in 65000
27 four of a kind ~1 in 629 hands should be 1 in 3900
275 full houses ~1 in 61 hands should be 1 in 590
332 flushes ~1 in 51 hands should be 1 in 270
523 straights ~1 in 32 hands should be 1 in 130


Explain it to me, please

tx


dcdoorknob already caught it, but those "should be" stats seem to be for 5 cards not 7 cards. Holdem uses 7 cards.

And, in fact, after looking at the stats at the site he linked, given that (except for four-of-a-kind) you are seeing these hands less frequently than you should, your data appears to be conclusive evidence that Full Tilt is rigged for non-action. The conspiracy theorists are going to love this!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Weird PokerTracker Stats (!) Reply with quote

nilgiri wrote:
quantumsuicide wrote:
First of all don't believe the site is rigged in order to favour some players because that makes no sense.

Anyway i got poker tracker and find this weird:

~17000 hands

4 straight flushes ~1 in 4250 hands should be 1 in 65000
27 four of a kind ~1 in 629 hands should be 1 in 3900
275 full houses ~1 in 61 hands should be 1 in 590
332 flushes ~1 in 51 hands should be 1 in 270
523 straights ~1 in 32 hands should be 1 in 130


Explain it to me, please

tx


dcdoorknob already caught it, but those "should be" stats seem to be for 5 cards not 7 cards. Holdem uses 7 cards.

And, in fact, after looking at the stats at the site he linked, given that (except for four-of-a-kind) you are seeing these hands less frequently than you should, your data appears to be conclusive evidence that Full Tilt is rigged for non-action. The conspiracy theorists are going to love this!


Nice.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, wow, I didn't check any of the odds. I just figured that it was one nice streak. Nice catch doorknob
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's all the math calculations: http://www.math.sfu.ca/~alspach/comp20/
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quantumsuicide
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your reply..

Actually it seems i've made two mistakes..

1) the poker odds site
2) i've played 28000 hands, not 17000 (looked at final hands)

Sorry for the rushed post.

I'll look at the sites you gave me, and then compare it to my PT stats.


tyvm
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