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pushinweight · Banned Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 160

I know most people can't but this is a spot where I wanted to fold and should of because my instincts are sick and I should have trusted them...villain makes it extremely obv that hes extremely strong and everything from his timing to bet sizes told me he had top set...Just a situation of trusting in yourself enough to make the play other players can't and won't...

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UTG+1 (3000.00)
MP1 (2640.00)
MP2 (3615.00)
MP3 (2785.00)
CO (3525.00)
Button (3255.00)
SB (2200.00)
BB (4075.00)
Hero (UTG) (3180.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3

, 3

Hero calls 40.00, MP1 raises to 160.00, 2 folds, CO calls 160.00, 3 folds, Hero calls 120.00

Flop: (540.00) 9

, 3

, K

(4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets 280.00, CO calls 280.00, Hero calls 280.00

Turn: (1380.00) 4

(4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets 560.00, CO calls 560.00, Hero raises to 2740.00 (All-In), MP1 calls 1640.00 (All-In), 1 fold

River: (6340.00) Q

(3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 6340.00 | Rake: 0.00

Mp1 shows KK....

doyle11 · Straight Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 110

i cant see some of the cards... like ur hand i see the 3 of hearts but not the second one.

LostOstrich · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject:

Personally, I'd never limp-call anything UTG, especially 33, but the stacks are deep and after limping you have a fine spot to call and set mine.

After that, the rest of the hand is perfectly played imo. Please don't ever consider folding there. Ever.

pushinweight · Banned Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 160

pushinweight · Banned Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 160

And alittle FYI...When ur taking advice from players on here...look them up on OPR to see if they are credible...if there concepts are proving profitable for them....

LostOstrich for example........Has a -9% roi all time on FTP...this is where you can get derailed taking advice from a losing player.....

LostOstrich · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:40 am Post subject:

You don't appear to have grasped the concept of a poker strategy forum. What most people do here is post hands and ask other players to offer feedback on how they may have played the hand differently. What you appear to have done is posted a hand with a view to firing personal insults at the first person to offer anything critical.

If that's how you want to do it, don't expect to get honest feedback. You played the hand well, if you'd rather I said you should ignore things like hand ranges and "go with your sick instincts" and fold a set, then you're in the wrong place.

Your OPR stats don't interest me at all. I looked at how the hand was played, listened to your thoughts, and offered advice. I won't offer any more, nor will I respond to any of your posts. There are places you can go if you want to hook up with nice people who'll make you feel good about yourself, PM me if you want and I'll give you some chatline numbers.

Have a nice day.

pushinweight · Banned Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 160

The one thing you failed to miss is I in no way shape or form posted this hand in a way that asked for advice....It was an example....Ur just so incredibly lost in your ego an false sense of accomplishment that you think I would look for advice from a player that I dwarf....

Its people like you on here giving advice to players when you obviously dont know what you're doing in the first place...hence the 2500 games and 0 profit....just a fact....I'm not trying to be mean but you set yourself up for it when you act like you know what your talking about enough to give a better player than yourself advice....

Just keep it real....

Once more...this hand was posted as an extreme example of the importance of trusting your instincts in a poker game....something thats being lost in the battle to find the best basic strategy....

Take your own advice...learn by playing...don't fall into line with break even players that think they know what they're talking about.

pushinweight · Banned Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 160

francois8 · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:33 am Post subject:

pushinweight, you seem to have some misplaced hostility here. Why post a hand if you don't want anyone to comment on it?

If you were playing omaha in this hand by all means fold bottom set... but in a hold'em tourney? Yea I agree with the ostrich, I go broke with my flopped set and then realize that sometimes you lose. If you're not willing to go broke with a set on a board as uncoordinated as that, you're not going to win.

Feel free to look me up on OPR and tell me what a bad player I am if you feel the need.

Keep in mind, no website that I'm aware of tracks cash games. I only play tourneys when I'm in the mood.

pushinweight · Banned Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 160

So would you agree that cash hands and tournament hands are played differently? Just curious cuz if you're not a tournament player what would you know about tournament play and why are you posting here?...just gonna put that out there...and Im not hostile I'm just setting straight all the whack people that roam this mofo and post ridiculous opinions about things they dont understand...think about what you're saying before you say it....

Im in the realization that there are alot of lost causes on here that my concepts are too much for...if you're happy with your ABC's feel free to stay away from my threads...

francois8 · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:36 am Post subject:

No I play both cash and tourneys and I'm profitable at both. I also play more than just hold'em so I may offer opinions in a few places. I love playing tourneys, but I just don't usually have time to sit for 4-5 hours for a tourney. Feel free to look me up on OPR to see my positive ROI, since apparently you only want comments from people who have that.

My point about cash games was that a player could have a negative ROI in tourneys and still be profitable overall, so that you shouldn't necessarily discount any opinion that they were kind enough to offer for a hand history that you posted.

If you didn't want opinions, just post it in the "bad beat" category even though you were behind the entire way in the hand in question.

nilgiri · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:53 am Post subject:

LO, how dare you offer advice in the MTT strategy forum!

Pushinweight, you are an idiot. If you have a sick read on this guy, then great, fold your set. Your "advice" about "trusting your instinct" is supremely retarded.

WTF is the point of a thread about laying down a set? The only reason you would ever want to lay down a set is if you have an an exceptional read, and if you have such a read, what advice are you giving by showing the HH? Take advantage of exceptional reads? Well, yeah, thanks. That's great advice, which I'm sure no one ever thought of before. The problem people have with exceptional reads is not that they don't use them, it's that they don't have enough experience/skill to see them. Your thread doesn't help at all.

If you want to post here offering advice, don't tell people to fold sets. The result -- if people actually listen to you, which I hope they don't -- is just going to be a lot of really horrible laydowns.

And FWIW, if you play cash games and tournaments completely differently, you need to reevaluate your poker strategy.

Now go run off and look up my OPR.

IABoomer · Moderator Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 4397

If your instincts are bad, trusting them would be bad. I know one player on another forum who sees monsters under the bed all the time. As a result, he's the most weak-tight player I've ever encountered.

pushinweight · Banned Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 160

pushinweight · Banned Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 160

Boomer you have a point there...im really not trying to say fold everytime someone puts the pressure on you...or be looking out for set ups all the time...and Im not a tight player nor will I ever be...my point in this hand is that by this guys betting patterns and timing aka "click tells"...I was 100% sure he had AA or KK...I know this cuz he made every tell that said "I have a monster"...

Maybe Im just crazy....its possible...buttttt....maybe I'm a genius cuz Im sitting there 10 minutes into a tournament facing a triple up and its turned into a grim situation because my opponent gave me 5 signs he has the nuts...being that i feel im a threat to win any tournament....the proper play for me here is to fold and find better spots...giving yourself extra chances to win tournaments is a huge part of the winning formula..

But maybe Im wrong..history says I might know alittle about what Im preaching....

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