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mysteriouschef
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| I still dont understand how u can be 5.67 times more sure he has KK then AA. Please explain this to me as I would like to understand how u came to this conclusion. Did you just guess those percents because then not as impressive as I first thought, and this is result oriented. We wouldn't be seeing a thread called I thought he had KK but it turned out my trip 3's beat his AA. |
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pushinweight
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| I explained this in his turn bet size...Im sorry if I'm not that great at communicating and it seems you're too busy prosecuting and not enough time seeking truth...put your ego aside for a second and understand that you're a break even player and that you really don't know what you're talking about and open up to some concepts ok |
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mysteriouschef
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| Seriously, I need to know how u got the numbers, that he has KK 5.67 times more then AA in this spot. |
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pushinweight
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:24 am Post subject: |
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heres another hand where an ABC player goes broke...I passed up raising the turn to look for a "better spot" to raise on the river minus a board pair...
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 0.00 BB (8 handed) - Converter Tool from
MP1 (1290.00)
MP2 (4505.00)
Hero (CO) (6353.00)
Button (7566.00)
SB (1395.00)
BB (5905.00)
UTG (4583.00)
UTG+1 (4345.00)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , 10
3 folds, MP2 calls 80.00, Hero calls 80.00, Button calls 80.00, SB calls 40.00, BB checks
Flop: (400.00) 3, J , J (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, Button checks
Turn: (400.00) 5 (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets 200.00, 1 fold, Hero calls 200.00, 1 fold, SB calls 200.00
River: (1000.00) 3 (3 players)
SB bets 1115.00 (All-In), BB calls 1115.00, Hero folds, 1 fold
Total pot: 3230.00 | Rake: 0.00
Both players had a J with a rag kicker....
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: |
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I can sum the first one for you very simply imo. You shouldn't fold there because your instinct won't always be right and you'll be making a bigger mistake by folding incorrectly than you will by getting it in bad. You're just going to be ahead more often than not there.
Not raising the turn in that hand right above me here is pretty terrible. What do you mean a better spot? Do you mean you think your hand is best now but you just want to make sure the board doesn't pair again because then you think your hand will be beaten? |
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pushinweight
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Honest_rob...another fine example of someone telling me I'm wrong with negative profits and no experience LOL...what goes through you're head when you get on here and say you're wrong this...you're wrong that when you obviously don't know what right is or you'd be profiting right?
I didnt raise the turn because I felt my opponent either had a J or clubs...in position there I'm gonna get a bigger bet into me on the river pot committing him even more allowing me a chance to stack...if hes bluffing he may fire another bullet on the river....which i wouldnt get had i raised him....there isnt any real advantage to me raising the turn and all the benefits of control by smooth calling...Thus my point...and ABC player goes broke there...without a board pair on river i still stack my opponent but avoid destruction by waiting...
If you don't see that than God help you...continue on with unprofitable poker |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: |
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I didnt raise the turn because I felt my opponent either had a J or clubs...in position there I'm gonna get a bigger bet into me on the river pot committing him even more allowing me a chance to stack...if hes bluffing he may fire another bullet on the river....which i wouldnt get had i raised him....there isnt any real advantage to me raising the turn and all the benefits of control by smooth calling...Thus my point...and ABC player goes broke there...without a board pair on river i still stack my opponent but avoid destruction by waiting...
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: |
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I can find useless stats too.
pushinweight 68 -$5 $7 -46% -$353
el oh el |
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pushinweight
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: |
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K well ur roi makes me laugh....and I just finished the tournament in second.....where if you were in my spot you would have just added another 0 to ur profit column by going busto....
laugh at that.... |
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Honest_Rob
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| I've played like 100 something MTTs on FT. Do you really think that's even close to a big enough sample to determine ROI? LOL |
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pushinweight
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| honestly no...but ur still inexperienced and speaking about things you dont understand |
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pushinweight
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| what is true is that if alot of you had less ego and kept it real you could learn something...hopefully someone did...feel free to stop spamming my thread with ur BS though Rob |
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keegs22
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| Not raising the turn in that hand right above me here is pretty terrible. What do you mean a better spot? Do you mean you think your hand is best now but you just want to make sure the board doesn't pair again because then you think your hand will be beaten? |
Agree! I think his super instints are telling him here that his opponent has a chance to make a boat here making his hand 2nd best, he's waiting for that it seems... I mean he did check it down  . Also, after everyone checks the flop I really don't know how you're worried about not having the best hand. |
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pushinweight
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| Not raising the turn in that hand right above me here is pretty terrible. What do you mean a better spot? Do you mean you think your hand is best now but you just want to make sure the board doesn't pair again because then you think your hand will be beaten? |
Agree! I think his super instints are telling him here that his opponent has a chance to make a boat here making his hand 2nd best, he's waiting for that it seems... I mean he did check it down . Also, after everyone checks the flop I really don't know how you're worried about not having the best hand. |
Once again my "super instincts" kept me from going broke in a tournament I went on to get 2nd in....and the crazy thing is i was right about the hand lol....it's like right in front of you're guys faces and you still don't get it...you don't even get the fact that he was gonna lead out river and i was gonna trap him with no risk....
Like are you guys really this ignorant...the answer is yes cuz you never win anything...Keeg thats why ur just a customer break even player lol...Cuz ur stubborn and incapable of learning anything to better yourself....
I say continue with your playing style cuz it's obviously working for you
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pushinweight
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Maybe you're being decieved by the fact that the hand history left out the fact the both players i was in the hand with had a J....It doesnt show the final results but they both held a J....therefore making it easy to trap them on the river if it blanks...so if I play the hand your way I go busto....but with my way I got second?..
you choose sir lolz
There is a reason we have the same amount of games played and I have 14k more profit than you....1900 games played and $800 profit...you're doing something wrong big guy...come to grips with it |
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