Online Poker Forum - The most profitable SNG style ever?

ThunderCrew

Usualy the 9 man sng's suck IMO.

Too few chips in play get hit hard once and you are basicaly crushed for the round with the blinds going up etc. Plus the calls of players are usualy so loose even if tou have a good hand like AA and land your ace set they chase flush or straight and out you most times due to knowing it only takes one good double up to stay in it for the money spot. And for some reason it seems on sng's I always got caught on so I stopped playing them.

Until now I might start playing a few on pstars they have a "double or nothing" 10 man sng 5 places paid. Its even pay so 5 go out for no pay and the rmaining 5 get double thier buy in say you buy into a 20.00 game and play tight only got to out last 1/2 the table to get garuntee double your money.

Might be a profitable sng might be trying a few of them played one last night for 20.00 and easily got my money shouldn't be too hard for tight players to easily make the double money payout by playing steadily and watching the agressive people fight it out.

Here is an exmple of what I mean.
I only went to a showdown ONE time and it was to KO the bubble+1 player.
Then very next hand the bubble boy gets outted on A2 vs KK but check out the statistics for this round.

During current Hold'em session you were dealt 62 hands and saw flop:
- 3 out of 7 times while in big blind (42%)
- 1 out of 8 times while in small blind (12%)
- 2 out of 47 times in other positions (4%)
- a total of 6 out of 62 (9%)
Pots won at showdown - 1 of 1 (100%)
Pots won without showdown - 8

So in only 62 hands this time I doubled my money from by only seeing 6 flops and one showdown. Not saying it's always gonna be that easy but, it seems easier then a full 9 man rag-a-war.

ThunderCrew · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:41 am Post subject:

Well this one sucked lol bubbled out on ace high flush......

So far have played 3 and only lost that one but thats due to the crazy full house vs flush or i would be 3 for 3 gonna be done there though they are tough blinds are every 10 minutes antes after 3 or 4 rounds of blinds I think it was.

Its kind of like playing LATE MTT but very soon like within 1/2 hour or 45 minutes lol

PokerStars Game #26262708517: Tournament #150079886, $20.00+$1.60 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/03/23 0:38:13 CT [2009/03/23 1:38:13 ET]
Table '150079886 1' 10-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: drinkshiraz (2370 in chips)
Seat 2: v3nt (3017 in chips)
Seat 3: AKA_DO_I_ (1950 in chips)
Seat 5: ThunderCrew1 (2025 in chips)
Seat 7: JTFR (3013 in chips)
Seat 9: EasyCompany5 (2625 in chips)
drinkshiraz: posts the ante 25
v3nt: posts the ante 25
AKA_DO_I_: posts the ante 25
ThunderCrew1: posts the ante 25
JTFR: posts the ante 25
EasyCompany5: posts the ante 25
JTFR: posts small blind 125
EasyCompany5: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ThunderCrew1 [2c Ac]
drinkshiraz: folds
v3nt: folds
AKA_DO_I_: folds
ThunderCrew1: raises 500 to 750
JTFR: folds
EasyCompany5: raises 1500 to 2250
ThunderCrew1: calls 1250 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (250) returned to EasyCompany5
*** FLOP *** [Td Tc 5c]
*** TURN *** [Td Tc 5c] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [Td Tc 5c Kc] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
EasyCompany5: shows [Ks Kd] (a full house, Kings full of Tens)
ThunderCrew1: shows [2c Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
EasyCompany5 collected 4275 from pot

Jed Hunter · Two Pair Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 60

I really hate double throughs. At first I cashed in 3 or 4 and was thinking wow, this is really easy. Why would anybody go out before the top 5?

Then I just couldn't do them and you lose a few pretty much negating the money you just won. I played alot of games where everyone basically everyone doesn't do anything for ages and then suddenly the blinds are huge and everyone's going all in with rubbish.

The cost isn't worth the reward in my eye's. I'd rather take my change at a $10 regular sit n go than play a double through.

ThunderCrew · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:16 am Post subject:

Thanx for the input and yeah like I said 2 of 3 is ok but after relizing how it has to be played like late mtt after only 1/2 hour to 45 minutes max its not really there. Seeemd good at first ill stop with my one up lol

lovebeefstew · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:03 am Post subject:

If you like to multi-table say 12+ tables I can see the double or nothing's on stars profitable. But my computer does not allow me to do that so they are basically too slow for a small profit.

Your description about the normal sng is fairly retarted. It may not suit your game to have 1500 chips with starting blinds 15/30. But saying you can hit your AA set and lose most times is rather stupid and blatently untrue. I'd be fairly confident you aren't playing them properly is that is the case.

dcdoorknob · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject:

The math usually works out so that the more top-heavy the prize structure is, the higher the max sustainable long term ROI tends to be. Based on that I think the exact opposite of your thread title is probably closer to the truth. I think the DoN's are probably lower on variance but also less profitable long term than normal SnGs for a good player, although I've never played any myself.

88Viking · High Card Joined: 01 May 2008 Posts: 14

This seems really interesting. I am almost tempted to throw on 50$ and give it a shot. I can see how people will play honestly 0 hands until the blinds get high though.

I might try playing maybe 10 games and posting the results on how I do. This looks like a very cool SNG though.

ThunderCrew · Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:39 pm Post subject:

shark231289 · Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:25 am Post subject:

i also love them!!!
they are my bread and butter in online poker...

marsupial311 · Royal Flush Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 738

As a very tight player, I find myself getting down to like <1k chips in almost all the SnGs I play before I start playing... People aren't loosening up just because the blinds are high, less people at the table plays a factor in hand selection.

If you want to succeed in normal three place paid SNG, go to the full tilt academy and watch Aaron Bartley's videos... Helped my game a ton.

Ackshin · Full House Joined: 29 Jan 2009 Posts: 210

TAG

Usually some LAG player will donk into a big stack.
Play to isolate the weaker plaers and its as easy as that

ThunderCrew · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:10 am Post subject:

yeah its the LAG that usualy put me out Smile

Did play 2 more of these one at 30.00 and one at 50.00 placed in them both the 50.00 was crazy to stay in though. Blinds got to the point where you could only shove all in or fold. and barley made it lol.

StrikingEagle · Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:31 am Post subject:

The toughest part of SnG is the heads up if you get that far. I'm not very good at heads up and will end up 2nd. We all know the $$ difference between 1st and second place.

Another factor is enviornment. Put the dog outside, turn off the phone, and put up do not disturb sign. Find a comfortable chair. Concentration is as imortant as patience.

Of course the goal is to win to improve our bankroll and ROI. The buy in for 6 man SnG is $2.50. 1st pays $9.00, 2nd pays $4.50. I feel this is a good opportunity to practice what I'm learning and get rewarded when I place. Recently I have won about 2/3 of the time, the percentage one pro spoke of.

StrikingEagle · Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:57 am Post subject:

After reading the post titled "real SnG goals." I need to add a comment to my post here. I do not recommend SnG's either for increasing your bank roll. It will take forever. Good place to practice...that's about it.

Oh yea, and it's fun. I do enjoy the 6 man table SnG.

Finally I played 12 sit-n-goes the last 2 days and placed 2nd in 4 and 3rd in one or 41.6% timesI got in the money. (Three days ago I took 1st, but that is not included in these numbers.) So my head math above is very VERY inaccurate. ( I am not even close to a pro's talent.) I was able to make up the dollar loss at the 9 man NL micro tables.

deton8whore · Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:00 am Post subject:

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