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Strasse
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much best case senario for fefimo, exluding trip 10s or trip 3s, here are the odds.

pokenum -mc 500000 -7s jd td 3s jc tc - ks kc 9h 4s ah / 2s 7s js qd jh
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
3s Jc Tc Jd Td 251535 50.31 248465 49.69 0 0.00 0.503
Ks 4s Kc Ah 9h 248465 49.69 251535 50.31 0 0.00 0.497

Against jacks and tens with the dead jacks, big pair has 49.7% equity. This is why the fold is absolutely, gut wrenchingly horrible.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That explains it, wasn't paying attention to the 2 jacks that were folded. Thanx for the clarification.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tracysanders wrote:
That explains it, wasn't paying attention to the 2 jacks that were folded. Thanx for the clarification.


Even if the 2 jacks weren't folded, I'd still advocate the exact same play. Taking out the dead jacks, she still has 42.7% EV against 2 pair, and I find it hard to believe that he would have limped in with buried jacks.
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bigpairde
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks a lot for you elaborations guys!!!
very helpful!!!
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hojediade
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In second hand i would have probably not call on 3rd street, cause even tho you have a seducing hand with 3 diamonds, it usually led to chase a mirage, plus you don't have much possibilities to catch a low or a str8.
For the first hand, you don't need to bet a single pair, IMO.
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