Online Poker Forum - Rampant idiocy

w1s3guy32 · Two Pair Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 69

Just the latest suckout, yesterday I got knocked out of a $6 sng by an even bigger idiot. I hope they all die of testicular cancer.

Full Tilt Poker, $2 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 20/40 Blinds, 8 Players
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BB: 1,830
Hero (UTG): 1,425
UTG+1: 1,465
MP1: 1,395
MP2: 1,395
CO: 2,710
BTN: 1,560
SB: 1,720

Pre-Flop: (60) A Diamond

Q

dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero calls 40, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls 40, MP2 calls 40, 2 folds, SB calls 20, BB checks

Flop: (200) 5 Heart

7

Q

(5 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 200, MP1 calls 200, MP2 folds, SB calls 200, BB folds

Turn: (800) 4 Diamond

(3 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets 800, MP1 calls 800, SB calls 800

River: (3,200) K Heart

(3 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets 385 and is All-In, MP1 calls 355 and is All-In, SB folds

Results: 3,910 Pot
Hero showed A Diamond

Q

(a pair of Queens) and LOST (-1,395 NET)
MP1 showed 7 Diamond

K

(two pair, Kings and Sevens) and WON 3,910 (+2,515 NET)

Carp Rodeo · Three of a Kind Joined: 25 Feb 2009 Posts: 89

Raise pre-flop

w1s3guy32 · Two Pair Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 69

francois8 · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:16 am Post subject:

I don't think you played this hand very well. +1 to raise preflop and I'll add shove the turn.

You put in 70% of your chips on the turn then bet a terrible river card for you anyway. Since clearly you were going to shove the river (more like a little nudge at this point with your measley 12% of the pot bet), put it in on the turn.

On the flop, he has 2nd pair with big kicker and back door flush draw, I'd call your pot sized bet also.

On the turn, he picked up a flush draw and still has second pair. If the SB calls he's almost getting the right pot odds, as he has 14 outs.

w1s3guy32 · Two Pair Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 69

"On the flop, he has 2nd pair with big kicker and back door flush draw, I'd call your pot sized bet also. "

Yer kidding me right?

He's scraping the barrel, he called the flop bet for a 7. That's 2 outs bad call.

Flushdraw on the turn I can understand a little more but he's a 3 to 1 underdog for a river flush.

The K on the river pissed me off and by that time I said f' it.

I saw the suckout coming when he called the flop bet.

suicideblonde1 · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:46 am Post subject:

Raise pre. That's the only advice you need, because if you put a strong EP raise in you don't encourage a multi-way pot OOP with AQ. Your opponent played every street fine by the way. Calling your C-bet as a semi-float is fine, calling the turn once he gets an extra 9 outs is fine, calling the river is a no-brainer.
You need to work on your bet sizing also. Don't just press the pot button on every street. You basically butchered this hand and got completely owned.

francois8 · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:50 am Post subject:

w1s3guy32 · Two Pair Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 69

Alright in the interst of learning and improving my own play, I understand the arguments here.

The only thing I may have done different here in retrospect is raise preflop.

I can't see betting more than the pot on the flop.

A pot size bet screams I have top pair, do I need to shout it more loudly? More than the pot?

Should i have checked the turn? Folded to a bet on the river K?

I still think he made bad calls at least by my standards of play and I guess I need to remove myself from the glass house I play in and look at how other people might play certain situations.

I expect suckouts, I expect bad beats and I play to mimimize my exposure to them.

I dont like getting knocked out of tourney's with plays like this. I would much rather go down in flames to a well played nut flush, set or simliar clear cut beating.

kwik · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:59 am Post subject:

francois8 · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:00 pm Post subject:

Basically, with a hand like AQ, you don't want to play against more than one or two opponents at a full table with small blinds. On the flop you have top pair, top kicker, which is a good hand but not a hand you necessarily want to go broke with. I'd usually bet less than the pot after a pf raise, but in this situation your pot sized bet is OK to narrow the field.

Once you get to the turn with such a hand, as played, your choice is really either get it in there now or check and see what the river brings. Obviously shoving the turn is an option; checking is more of a small ball approach to minimize losses. The pot sized bet, you want to get away from here since it commits you to the pot anyway, you may as well shove the turn.

Bad beats happen, you're right that you want to minimize your exposure to them. In order to do that, I'd suggest never open limping. Minimize the field when you're involved in a hand, playing vs. fewer people makes post flop play easier. Lower your "standard" bet size so that if you lose a single pot, you aren't out of the tournament. And finally, if any bet ever exceeds ~35-50% of your stack, just go ahead and ship it in there for full value. You get maximum fold equity this way as well as maximum value if you're called and ahead.

suicideblonde1 · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:00 pm Post subject:

By putting in a raise pre-flop, you change the whole dynamic of the hand. After limping, and allowing hands like K7 to see a cheap flop, you need to proceed with caution. Leading out with TPTK is fine, but bet less than the pot. Consider your stack size and how you're going to play the rest of the hand if you get called or raised. By potting the flop and the turn you leave yourself less than 400 chips on the river and are completely committed.
I guess there's no way you're getting away from your hand in this instance anyway, but remember you created this problem by limping pre-flop. The bet sizing after your pre-flop limp was really bad as you committed yourself to the hand too easily and left yourself no options on the river. Just shove the turn I suppose.

kwik · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject:

how about shoving post flop(remember this site is suck-out -city).. who would call with second pair?

lol i think i know that answer Smile

suicideblonde1 · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject:

francois8 · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject:

Agree with the blond. Shove only gets called from better hands. Once 5 people see this flop, two of whom have position on you, you're not in a great spot to play any one pair hand.

kwik · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:22 pm Post subject:

yes i agree also,

a preflop raise followed by a big post flop raise most likely wins the hand right there

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