Online Poker Forum - raise min buy in for nl cash games

Hammer_0 · High Card Joined: 12 Nov 2009 Posts: 1

i don't know about anyone else by i've about had it with short stack players. yeah i know it's a strategy and all but imo it isn't poker it's more like wheel of fortune. my suggestion is to add tables at each limit with a higher min limit so that both sides have games to play.

champen85 · High Card Joined: 12 Nov 2009 Posts: 4

there is these tables..

bigpairde · Moderator Joined: 26 Apr 2008 Posts: 10103

sit at the deep talbes

IABoomer · Moderator Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 8190

Pinky, no use. The "ZOMG SHORTSTACKERS SUCK! I'M LEAVING ON JAN 1 TO GO SNE AT STARS!" posters have already claimed that they can't get deep tables going, that the fish don't flock to the deep tables, etc.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/ftp-answers-11-11-a-630348/

DforDissent · Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject:

I wonder what all the complainers do when they are at a tournament table with a monster stack, vs. mostly "short stacks" .... do they adjust, or play the same game as they would if everyone had monster stacks -- and then whine and complain when their steal attempts are ruined by short-stackers who re-raise all-in and are giving them 2:1 odds on calling with their garbage steal hand?

:yeesh:

HuJwang · Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject:

EBJ007 · High Card Joined: 22 Feb 2009 Posts: 6

Nothing will break a good table as fast as a few short stacks entering it, I realize you cant tell someone how to play but they really do ruin tables. No one sitting on 200 dollars wants to be constantly re-raised $20 all in over and over so eventually they all leave and or tighten up to the point there is no action at all.

imnottigerwoods · Banned Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 49

Deepstack tables really ought to fill better than they do, but they just don't. And the problem is, the fish prefer the standard buyins and the regs prefer the deepstacks, so you're gonna get a harder game at deep stack tables. And there's just no way the sites are going to completely eliminate shotrtstackers because the good shortstack regs contribute an insane amount of rake by playing the max number of tables.
I played $25nl on stars for a few weeks a while back, and found myself barely breaking even over like 40k hands because I couldn't decide between getting owned by winning regs at deepstack tables, or playing boring flipaments against almost unexploitable shortstackers at standard BI tables. I quickly got bored, and I really don't know what the sites' "solution" to this can possibly be.

AllInDrawinDead · Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:01 am Post subject:

its very annoying. the local casinos here have the same problem. $1/2 NL has $40 shortstacks that keep rebuying for $40 all night. fact is that noob players don't want to buy in deep because they realize they're at a disadvantage against better players. this probably is not ever going to change.

horseplyr · Straight Joined: 08 Jul 2009 Posts: 119

3rd time i will comment on this subject. u all have to learn that poker is about dealing with all types of players. esp at the higher levels ss players are among the best players, they understand ev better than anyone else. this myth that deep stack players are better, is totally wrong. i have sev friends who make a lot of money buying in min, and exploit deep stacks. just cause u prefer to buy in min or max does not make you a good or bad player. but i still dont understand, if u cant stand it so much, then play cap or limit games. seriously

IABoomer · Moderator Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 8190

Or, the shortstackers can play cap games and not exploit a flaw in the minimum buy-in structure. At a table full or short stack players, they won't have an edge because everyone will be playing a similar strategy. Against a table of 50+ BB stacks, the short stacker has an inherent advantage because the larger stacks have to play sub-optimally to deal with the shorty.

If everyone is deep, you've got implied odds to play speculative hands. When there's a shorty, you have to worry about him picking up pots that the deeper stacks want to speculatively play, meaning the game tightens up and it becomes a bunch of rocks sitting around waiting for premiums. Hardly a fun or profitable poker game for most players, and not a big rake generator. Thus, it's in the best interest of the site to encourage action to pump up the rake which means making the games play deeper than 20BB effective stacks.

horseplyr · Straight Joined: 08 Jul 2009 Posts: 119

obv there r a lot of diff opinions about this issue, but i would think if ft could generate more income buy raising the min buy in level it would do so. maybe its in the works.

DforDissent · Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:05 pm Post subject:

horseplyr · Straight Joined: 08 Jul 2009 Posts: 119

gold star for dfordissent

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