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cegarrison87
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 Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: QQ re-re-raised |
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Noted the guy made std. raised earlier w/ KK in MP...
Full Tilt Poker Game #7844433546: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (59646190), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:17:24 ET - 2008/08/29
Seat 1: xxERNOxx (3,195)
Seat 2: bigjake61 (1,340)
Seat 3: cegarrison87 (1,615)
Seat 4: LittleMsSunshyn (1,370)
Seat 5: jadesio (1,355)
Seat 6: MyMothersCallin (1,570)
Seat 7: USWeapon (1,635)
Seat 8: cbmjfan64 (1,420)
jadesio posts the small blind of 20
MyMothersCallin posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cegarrison87 [Qh Qs]
USWeapon folds
cbmjfan64 has 15 seconds left to act
cbmjfan64 is sitting out
cbmjfan64 has timed out
cbmjfan64 folds
xxERNOxx raises to 120
bigjake61 folds
cegarrison87 raises to 280
LittleMsSunshyn folds
jadesio folds
MyMothersCallin folds
xxERNOxx has 15 seconds left to act
xxERNOxx raises to 520 |
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rldcakqj10
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Location: Probation out on bail fresh outta jail
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| Whats up cegarrison87, you didnt pose a question, but im curious to know what ended up happening in this hand. So far all I can say is call and be verrrrry cautious on the flop if you dont hit a set. Dont let an all low flop fool you (Example: 4c 7h 2d). He/she might have an overpair, being that you were re raised pre flop. The reason im saying call is: #1 you have position & #2 you only have to call 240 which gives you greater than 4 to 1 while holding queens. Not to mention, you can fold on the flop and still have plenty of chips to play with. The blinds are only 20/40 no need to push here and run into Aces or Kings. But You CANT fold here, just call and see a flop. |
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Peepers_au
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure I agree. Calling seems a pretty bad option even with the fantastic odds, because you won't know where you stand on pretty much any non-Q flop. Any bet post-flop will commit you to the hand as you'll have 1/2 to 2/3 of your stack in the pot. Better to get some fold equity by shoving pre-flop IMO, although without a good read I'd probably dump it pre-flop as it's not worth the risk so early on. |
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brs23
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Joined: 28 Aug 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| hey ce, we play alot of sngs together I think, why nearly min 3 bet the QQ? |
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ftn_chris
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| i don't really agree with just calling either. if you think you're beat right now and just call, then you gotta think the only way you'll call a bet after the flop (which will be an all in almost guaranteed) is if you hit a set. you flop a set something like 1 in 8 times, so that mindset doesnt work at all...especially since a call is 1/3 your stack. its either a fold or all in. 3 bet is either AK, AA, or KK. 12 combinations to make AA and KK, 16 ways to make AK. I'd probably push and then cry when he flips over two kings. Of course that early in the tournament, a loss of 280 is no huge deal. It's really down to whether you want to risk your stack that early in the sng, or if you think you'll have a better opportunity later on. |
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rldcakqj10
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Joined: 08 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Peepers_au wrote: |
| I'm not sure I agree. Calling seems a pretty bad option even with the fantastic odds, because you won't know where you stand on pretty much any non-Q flop. Any bet post-flop will commit you to the hand as you'll have 1/2 to 2/3 of your stack in the pot. Better to get some fold equity by shoving pre-flop IMO, although without a good read I'd probably dump it pre-flop as it's not worth the risk so early on. |
There is nothing wrong with calling here, folding is out of the question. so what if calling is 1/3 of his stack. Hes trying to WIN the tournament and he wont win too many folding Queens with odds of GREATER than 4 to 1 with POSITION. Even if he calls the blinds are 20/40 leaving him with about 18x the blinds and antes VERRRY EARLY in a SnG, so if he cant win w/ 18 BB left then he wouldnt have won it any way. Folding is way TOO passive here w/ position and great odds. Now if he was out of position and it was a little later in the tournament lets say 60/120 blinds sure push, but now come on its too early to risk ALL OF YOUR CHIPS PREFLOP ALBEIT AND SOMEONE HAS JUST TOLD YOU IVE GOT AK(SUITED), AA, OR KK. On the flop he has an easy decision because his opponent ACTS FIRST. Pushing here is like coming to my house and Im telling you I have gun and will shoot you, but you come over anyway. Why gamble with your life & why should he gamble so EARLY in the Tournament with Queens.
I respect your opinion though. But calling here is DEFINITELY not out of the question. |
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rldcakqj10
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| brs23 wrote: |
| hey ce, we play alot of sngs together I think, why nearly min 3 bet the QQ? |
I agree, I think that the raise should have been at least 450. If the opponent pushed then you fold, its still early. Plus you noted that he did this earlier with Kings. |
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rldcakqj10
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| ftn_chris wrote: |
| i don't really agree with just calling either. if you think you're beat right now and just call, then you gotta think the only way you'll call a bet after the flop (which will be an all in almost guaranteed) is if you hit a set. you flop a set something like 1 in 8 times, so that mindset doesnt work at all...especially since a call is 1/3 your stack. its either a fold or all in. 3 bet is either AK, AA, or KK. 12 combinations to make AA and KK, 16 ways to make AK. I'd probably push and then cry when he flips over two kings. Of course that early in the tournament, a loss of 280 is no huge deal. It's really down to whether you want to risk your stack that early in the sng, or if you think you'll have a better opportunity later on. |
I agree with you ftn_chris. It is early in this tournament and loosing 520 with his chip stack is no huge deal either with 20/40 blinds. Sure flopping a set here is 1 in 8 but with odds of GREATER than 4 to 1 and position your OVER halfway there, plus if he flops a set hes a huge favorite to double up & have a commanding chip lead EARLY in the SnG with blinds @ 20/40. This spot is similar to playing a sm pair pre flop hit a set or fold its 280 more who cares, I would gamble with 280 here rather than my tournament life this EARLY. Sometimes you have to take risks, especially when the situation is in your favor and 20/40 blinds (after calling leaving you with 18x blinds and antes), position, Over 4 to 1 odds holding queens sounds like favor to me.
I respect your opinion, but there is nothing wrong with calling here. |
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bigslickerz
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Joined: 24 Aug 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| i would call. if a king or ace came, fold for sure. if u hit overpair, i would bet. if u hit a set, i would bet pot-size. |
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ftn_chris
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| bigslickerz wrote: |
| i would call. if a king or ace came, fold for sure. if u hit overpair, i would bet. if u hit a set, i would bet pot-size. |
If you WERE to just call and hit a set, dear god dont bet pot size. he 3bet preflop and will almost certainly push all in if you check to him. |
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bigslickerz
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| Ok true, but with some of the ppl i've played aginst, they 3-bet preflop, check on flop. slowplaying? |
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live4freerolls
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| Fold or shove. Calling is god **** awful. Extremely close situation since it is a $5 sng imo. As long as you shoved or folded though you played it fine. |
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MVP04X3
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| A min reraise screams monster hand. This feels like a race at best, I will probably fold and wait to fight another day. The whole object in SNGs is to make it to the top 3. You can't win when the blinds are this low. Calling here will only leave a much harder decision on the flop if there is no Q, K, or A. In a cash game I call this one all day hoping to spike a set against a big pair. In a tournament I can wait for a better spot as the blinds are low. |
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cardfish2
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| Peepers_au wrote: |
| I'm not sure I agree. Calling seems a pretty bad option even with the fantastic odds, because you won't know where you stand on pretty much any non-Q flop. Any bet post-flop will commit you to the hand as you'll have 1/2 to 2/3 of your stack in the pot. Better to get some fold equity by shoving pre-flop IMO, although without a good read I'd probably dump it pre-flop as it's not worth the risk so early on. |
There is no fold equity in this situation. |
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bigslickerz
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| hmm, now that i think about it, it would probably b better to shove...thanx! |
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