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IABoomer
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I almost feel like this would be better in the "Poker Stories" forum with the "rigged" posts.  |
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kyblue007
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Seems to be the definition of the "Peter Principle". A book that was published approximately 25 yrs ago......
That people are promoted to the level of their incompetence. |
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audsb
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This deficiency in ``self-monitoring skills,'' the researchers said, helps explain the tendency of the humor-impaired to persist in telling jokes that are not funny, of day traders to repeatedly jump into the market -- and repeatedly lose out -- and of the politically clueless to continue holding forth at dinner parties on the fine points of campaign strategy. |
Sounds like my ex-boyfriend. 
...However in conclusion, luckily on interweb forums there aren't really "social norms" and it is okay to tell someone that they stink. |
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rockycatt
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i quicky wnt over this , and i believe this guy and hid partener
are lucky there liveing in the year 2008  :lol:After Desention |
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HuJwang
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Seems to be the definition of the "Peter Principle". A book that was published approximately 25 yrs ago......
That people are promoted to the level of their incompetence. |
The article doesn't really have anything to do with the Peter Principle other than using the word "incompetence"... |
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dcdoorknob
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| Man does this ever relate to poker. Often the most clueless players are the ones with the insanely big egos about their abilities. And I know for me at least, the more I've learned, the more I've realized how completely not special my pokering ability is. |
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EJ CURSE
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| Excellent post and you need to be commended. Very interesting article, and extremely pertinant info to our cause. |
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markljackson
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wow! where to start. Sadly the Professor does seem incompetent, on many levels. Maybe he is just desperate for headlines, need them for tenure.
1. being ignorant does not make you incompetent. Many people who are NOT ignorant are incompetent. Lots of "well educated" folks who can barely dress themselves.
2. Most people who doubt their ability, do so for a couple of reasons. A) constant negative feedback from superiors/mentors/events/self B) One tragic experience that overshadows all good ones. Sadly we teach people to NOT aspire to greatness.
3. Having confidence in yourself is in no way indicative of: ignorance, incompetence, or inability. Any wonder #2 is true? Teaching people that being confident means your are incompetent is idiotic, and dangerous.
4. This is the worst reasoning I have seen in a long time. No surprise it's from an Ivy league school. Non sequiter after non sequiter.
I am so tired of the negative attitudes of the "well educated". The most offensive comment is that all of us are so stupid we can't learn to make better decisions. Unreal.
Now you see why kids today are so messed up. |
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HuJwang
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wow! where to start. Sadly the Professor does seem incompetent, on many levels. Maybe he is just desperate for headlines, need them for tenure.
1. being ignorant does not make you incompetent. Many people who are NOT ignorant are incompetent. Lots of "well educated" folks who can barely dress themselves.
2. Most people who doubt their ability, do so for a couple of reasons. A) constant negative feedback from superiors/mentors/events/self B) One tragic experience that overshadows all good ones. Sadly we teach people to NOT aspire to greatness.
3. Having confidence in yourself is in no way indicative of: ignorance, incompetence, or inability. Any wonder #2 is true? Teaching people that being confident means your are incompetent is idiotic, and dangerous.
4. This is the worst reasoning I have seen in a long time. No surprise it's from an Ivy league school. Non sequiter after non sequiter.
I am so tired of the negative attitudes of the "well educated". The most offensive comment is that all of us are so stupid we can't learn to make better decisions. Unreal.
Now you see why kids today are so messed up. |
Let me guess: you supported Bush. |
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bdbranch
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If I can write garbage like this, can I be a professor of psychology too? Please .... Pretty Please ...... Pretty Pretty Please.
Won't bother with most of the garbage, just the so-called test reasons. It says that the lowest 10% overestimated their ability. Well duh. They can hardly say, I'm in the lowest -20% now can they. The only thing that is possible is a over estimation in 'percentile' terms.
Secondly, the areas that were tested was deliberately designed to produce the result that he wanted. For instance, I believe that I've spelt everything here correctly. If I've made even a single mistake (for whatever reason) then that's automatically a overestimation.
To then use this result as a claim of arrogant or ignorant incompetence is absolutely flawed. |
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bdbranch
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Location: At home wdyt. Btw. I'm not opinionated all the time, umm can you be opinionated when you're asleep
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wow! where to start. Sadly the Professor does seem incompetent, on many levels.
1. being ignorant does not make you incompetent.
2. Most people who doubt their ability, do so for a couple of reasons.
3. Having confidence in yourself is in no way indicative of: ignorance,
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Let me guess: you supported Bush. |
Typical of HuJwang. Incapable of discussing things like growups.
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| Ok this is getting nowhere. You're basically ignoring what I said and repeating the same stuff over and ove. I'm done here. |
Now I regularly disagree with the opinions of others, but still respect them as people. However there is one thing that I absolutely don't respect and that's people who demands complete and utter agreement with their particular viewpoint. And I don't respect those who shows themselves to be of this nature.
If HuJwang wants mindless beings around him, then he should pick up some of those Japanese robots that are for sale. And no, I don't respect him or anything that he has to say, regardless of whether I agree with him or not. |
Go throw another temper tantum HuJwang because somebody has disagreed with you. |
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Strasse
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wow! where to start. Sadly the Professor does seem incompetent, on many levels. Maybe he is just desperate for headlines, need them for tenure.
1. being ignorant does not make you incompetent. Many people who are NOT ignorant are incompetent. Lots of "well educated" folks who can barely dress themselves.
2. Most people who doubt their ability, do so for a couple of reasons. A) constant negative feedback from superiors/mentors/events/self B) One tragic experience that overshadows all good ones. Sadly we teach people to NOT aspire to greatness.
3. Having confidence in yourself is in no way indicative of: ignorance, incompetence, or inability. Any wonder #2 is true? Teaching people that being confident means your are incompetent is idiotic, and dangerous.
4. This is the worst reasoning I have seen in a long time. No surprise it's from an Ivy league school. Non sequiter after non sequiter.
I am so tired of the negative attitudes of the "well educated". The most offensive comment is that all of us are so stupid we can't learn to make better decisions. Unreal.
Now you see why kids today are so messed up. |
You have no evidence to support anything, just these statements that you claim as fact, while the article offers many experiments conducted to support its conclusions. |
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dumwaldo
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| markljackson wrote: |
wow! where to start. Sadly the Professor does seem incompetent, on many levels. Maybe he is just desperate for headlines, need them for tenure.
1. being ignorant does not make you incompetent. Many people who are NOT ignorant are incompetent. Lots of "well educated" folks who can barely dress themselves.
2. Most people who doubt their ability, do so for a couple of reasons. A) constant negative feedback from superiors/mentors/events/self B) One tragic experience that overshadows all good ones. Sadly we teach people to NOT aspire to greatness.
3. Having confidence in yourself is in no way indicative of: ignorance, incompetence, or inability. Any wonder #2 is true? Teaching people that being confident means your are incompetent is idiotic, and dangerous.
4. This is the worst reasoning I have seen in a long time. No surprise it's from an Ivy league school. Non sequiter after non sequiter.
I am so tired of the negative attitudes of the "well educated". The most offensive comment is that all of us are so stupid we can't learn to make better decisions. Unreal.
Now you see why kids today are so messed up. |
Let me guess: you supported Bush. |
Why are you are incapable of discussing something without making personal attacks?
I suppose a better question might be why do moderators on this forum allow you to do it when you are doing it so frequently?
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dumwaldo
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wow! where to start. Sadly the Professor does seem incompetent, on many levels. Maybe he is just desperate for headlines, need them for tenure.
1. being ignorant does not make you incompetent. Many people who are NOT ignorant are incompetent. Lots of "well educated" folks who can barely dress themselves.
2. Most people who doubt their ability, do so for a couple of reasons. A) constant negative feedback from superiors/mentors/events/self B) One tragic experience that overshadows all good ones. Sadly we teach people to NOT aspire to greatness.
3. Having confidence in yourself is in no way indicative of: ignorance, incompetence, or inability. Any wonder #2 is true? Teaching people that being confident means your are incompetent is idiotic, and dangerous.
4. This is the worst reasoning I have seen in a long time. No surprise it's from an Ivy league school. Non sequiter after non sequiter.
I am so tired of the negative attitudes of the "well educated". The most offensive comment is that all of us are so stupid we can't learn to make better decisions. Unreal.
Now you see why kids today are so messed up. |
You have no evidence to support anything, just these statements that you claim as fact, while the article offers many experiments conducted to support its conclusions. |
Actually I think what mark wrote is based on common sense and what you have written is based on blind faith. I say this because the article does not "offers many experiments conducted to support its conclusions". No, It offers the conclusions made by ONE person after ONE study and he does not provide the data he used to draw this conclusion. There is nothing about sample size. There is nothing about complete results. There is no way for a reader to make an informed opinion based on this article.
There is also the fundamental problem that while psychiatry is a proven science, psychology is NOT. Many people misunderstand that.
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