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occumsraizer · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: What is the correct play here

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MP3 (t1500)
CO (t80)
Button (t1460)
SB (t1460)
occamsraizer (t1660)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t2840)

Preflop: occamsraizer is BB with Qd, Ad.
UTG raises to t120, 1 fold, MP1 calls t120, MP2 calls t120, 1 fold, CO calls t80 (All-In), 1 fold, SB calls t110, occamsraizer calls t100.

Flop: (t680) Ah, Qc, 9c (6 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, occamsraizer bets t100, UTG calls t100, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t100, SB calls t100.

Turn: (t1080) Jd (5 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets t1240 (All-In), occamsraizer ?

dcdoorknob · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:49 am Post subject:

Preflop I think calling is fine.

I would bet a lot more on the flop. You've got 2 pair and there's a decent chance AK is out there somewhere and going broke. No need to play it slow vs. this many opponents, especially when there is a flush draw, maybe open ended straight draw, and surely some inside straight draws as well, who are probably smart to stick around to that tiny bet. I'd bet 500ish, and at that point you are committed to the hand.

As played, I don't think I could lay it down. Could easily be that the J made someone 2 pair and you are still ahead, or a pair + flush + straight draw type of hand, but with one card to come you still have to be favored. (Or its just some stupid steal attempt with trash, not completely likely but I've seen enough to not be able to discount it entirely). I'm much happier about getting alot of it in on the flop than on the turn like this though after you let people stick around for cheap when you were strong enough to stack off if they drew out to beat you. Bet that flop hard.

californiachamp · Banned Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 394

You bet absolutely at least 75% of the pot amount on flop to push out all draws and to committ maybe a rag ace and bust them.

The rest will probably fold, unless a 10 j is in there which your still a big fav to bust them as well.......

nilgiri · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject:

Bet way more OTF, like 3/4 pot or full pot. I might even open shove that, given how happy everyone was to call a 6xBB raise from UTG.

OTT, get it all in. SB might have a straight or a set (though that's unlikely after that flop call), but he might have a number of other things, like a worse two pair or a combo draw with a pair. The pot is big enough, and you've put in enough chips, that it's worth calling IMHO. If you lose, shrug your shoulders and fire up another SnG...

alex j beeson · Message Board Junkie Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 1255

You call the all in. If the villian hit a str8 then it was because you made it so affordable to him on the flop. (bet waayy bigger on that flop and make em pay to suck out on you)

He might have an A and your weak flop bet makes him think you have middle pair (or worse) or weak A.

Have to call his all in bet IMO. In fact put it all in.

Badlydrawnboy · Flush Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 127

I would have gone all-in on the flop already. There's too many people in the pot who could crack your hand on the turn or the river.

In any case, as others said: at least bet bigger on the flop.

sixandfour · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject:

Yep, what everyone said... gotta put a lot more in on the flop with a ridiculous amount of people still in like this. As played, call the shove, unless you really think this guy's dumb enough to shove the nuts into 4 players. Looks like someone thinks they got lucky with 2 pair. If it's a set, well oops. But a real raise on the flop eliminates having to make this decision.

occumsraizer · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject:

I ended up folding. The small bet on flop was based on play up until that point. I had seen a lot of re-raising and people for the most part saw small bets as weakness. I weak led at the pot hoping to get raised, but ended up getting calls all around. That sucked. With so many people in the pot I know that with my weak lead, someone would have the price to draw. Even if the sb didn't have a straight, I still have 3 to act behind me, anyone of which could have a str8, so I folded.
The SB had QJ and the only one who called was drawing to a k high club flush draw.
$16 table $2 table...who knows anymore Confused

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