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Sabakka

Villain is a loose aggressive NL25 regular. I don't have a large enough sample on him. He frequently shows bluff, doesn't respect anyone's play and uses table chat to berate his opponents Smile

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
4 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: $50
Button: $20.30
SB: $57.60
Hero: $24.15

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with T Heart

J

UTG (poster) checks, 2 folds, 2 folds, Hero (poster) checks.
Uncalled bets: $0.25 returned to Hero.

Flop: 5 Heart

T

J

($0.35, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Turn: 4 Club

($0.35, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.5, UTG raises to $3.75, Hero calls $3.25 (pot was $4.6).

River: 7 Club

($7.85, 2 players)
Hero ??

goomlah · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject:

check-call his $5 to $8 dollar bet and hope he doesn't have 89, which he probably doesn't.

HuJwang · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject:

check-call a reasonable bet. I'd probably minraise the turn or something to get him to shove random stuff.

Sabakka · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject:

Hero checks.
UTG is All-in
Hero ??

kngspdd · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject:

Thats a tough choice there. It seems to me that if he really had a flush or a straight or even a set, that he would have bet something more callable. If this guy likes to bluff then thats probably why he raised your weakish bet on the turn so he could steal it on the river with any scary card. I don't know though because often times people will show bluffs just to get you to call in situations like this one when they do have a hand. If it were me It would probably depend on what my gut was telling me at this point. I might fold and wait for a better opportunity to come along, more often I would call since it doesn't look like he wants one and make a note of the outcome for next time(if I can afford to lose that big of a pot). I also think that a bet on the flop would have been a good idea, and like HuJwang said a reraise on the turn would have been a good idea. As played you kind of looked weak with that turn bet, and flat calling the raise looks weak as well. After his raise on the turn I would have re raised or possibly even pushed all in to stop the draw.

HuJwang · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:22 am Post subject:

I would probably fold. It doesn't really feel like a bluff here. I think if he was bluffing he'd just mash the pot button. imo, even from a super lag, a 3x overpot bet just isn't a bluff all that much unless he is just absolutely retarded.

goomlah · Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject:

He's either a super donk or he's got QJ of clubs.

Goom thinks he has QJ of clubs. Fold.

HuJwang · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 1:14 am Post subject:

Sabakka · Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject:

He actually had 36o Evil or Very Mad

S.O.B

Starvingwriter · Full House Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 174

I gotta say, I'd call in this situation. Yes, occasionally he's going to show the random flush or straight. But, you've given me two tidbits of information that lean me toward a call.

1. He doesn't respect other players. He doesn't respect their bets, and doesn't respect them as people.

2. He's been showing a lot of bluffs.

For this kind of player, keep something in mind - the money isn't what he's after. He's after some ego stroking. To stroke his ego, he's in a win-win situation. If you fold, he tells anyone who will listen (probably not many people) "lolz, I bluffed this guy out of a huge pot with trash." If you call, he says, "lolz, I represented the flush draw the whole hand and the guy still called, what a donk."

This is a guy who wants to be clever at the poker table. 99% of the time, he's going to do the opposite of what he has, just so he can "fool" you. If he hit that flush or straight, he's going to check, so he can check raise your bet and call you a donk when you call.

Note that this is very different than a LAG player who uses it as a playing style to trap people in bigger pots than they can handle (watch Jamie Gold 2006, for example).

If the player you described wasn't clearly obsessed with getting egg on other players faces, I'd definitely fold. Since he is, you can be fairly sure his big bet is disingenuous - it's the perfect opportunity to make you look silly if you fold!

esperz · Full House Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 220

Starvingwriter, that has to be the most indepth read I've actually read in this forum.

You are awesome.

But, I agree. This is a call. Yes, he might've got his flush, but at this point, you are simply invested.

If this were higher stakes and saw that kind of betting pattern, I'd still call because I'd likely see a minor two pair on his part (10, 5) or possibly even over-pockets (the higher stakes have too many LAG players who can't fold an overpair). A flush wouldn't be chased regularly and if he was semi-bluffing on a flush draw via schoolboy, then you can afford to pay him off.

The only way I'd fold this hand is in the extreme stakes (5/10 or higher) where I would have to assume the man has trips.

But as for your particular player. Donk. They catch one every once in a while. Note him and seek him out.

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Starvingwriter · Full House Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 174

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esperz · Full House Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Posts: 220

Wrong? Why would I care if he was wrong in this particular post?

I said it was the most in depth.

And his way of thinking is markedly different then 98% of the other forumers who tend to be uniform in their thinking, the typical TAG mindset common to online poker. ...and for that, to me, is both awesome and unique.

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