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skeeter1114 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 2496

Full Tilt Poker Game #6591788900: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (50099560), Table 1 - 40/80 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 22:13:18 ET - 2008/05/27
Seat 1: cubbies760 (2,517)
Seat 2: skeeter1114 (1,485)
Seat 3: craigo6x (2,665)
Seat 5: dcdoorknob (1,380)
Seat 6: g_420man (1,029)
Seat 8: nilgiri (3,574)
Seat 9: gonefshng (850)
nilgiri posts the small blind of 40
gonefshng posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to skeeter1114 [2d Ad 2h 7d]
cubbies760: had 222jj
cubbies760 calls 80
skeeter1114 calls 80
craigo6x folds
dcdoorknob folds
g_420man calls 80
nilgiri: yep, tough beat
nilgiri calls 40
gonefshng checks
*** FLOP *** [Th 5s 8d]
nilgiri bets 200
gonefshng has 15 seconds left to act
gonefshng raises to 770, and is all in
cubbies760 has 15 seconds left to act
cubbies760 raises to 2,437, and is all in
skeeter1114 ???

g_420man calls 949, and is all in
nilgiri calls 2,237
cubbies760 shows [6s 3c 2c 5h]
g_420man shows [6d 5c Ah 4s]
nilgiri shows [Td Tc Kc Js]
gonefshng shows [3d Ts 7s 9d]
*** TURN *** [Th 5s 8d] [Qs]
nilgiri: lol jeez
*** RIVER *** [Th 5s 8d Qs] [6c]
cubbies760 shows two pair, Sixes and Fives, for high andcubbies760 shows 8,6,5,3,2, for low
nilgiri shows three of a kind, Tens, for high
nilgiri wins high side pot #2 (1,488) with three of a kind, Tens
cubbies760 wins low side pot #2 (1,488) with 8,6,5,3,2
g_420man shows two pair, Sixes and Fives, for high andg_420man shows 8,6,5,4,A, for low
nilgiri wins high side pot #1 (269) with three of a kind, Tens
cubbies760 wins low side pot #1 (268) with 8,6,5,3,2
gonefshng shows a straight, Ten high, for high andgonefshng shows 8,7,6,5,3, for low
gonefshng wins the high main pot (1,740) with a straight, Ten high
cubbies760 wins the low main pot (1,740) with 8,6,5,3,2
skeeter1114: dam
g_420man stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,993 Main pot 3,480. Side pot 1 537. Side pot 2 2,976. | Rake 0
Board: [Th 5s 8d Qs 6c]
Seat 1: cubbies760 showed [6s 3c 2c 5h] and won (3,496) with HI: two pair, Sixes and Fives; LO: 8,6,5,3,2
Seat 2: skeeter1114 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: craigo6x didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: dcdoorknob didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: g_420man (button) showed [6d 5c Ah 4s] and lost with HI: two pair, Sixes and Fives; LO: 8,6,5,4,A
Seat 8: nilgiri (small blind) showed [Td Tc Kc Js] and won (1,757) with HI: three of a kind, Tens
Seat 9: gonefshng (big blind) showed [3d Ts 7s 9d] and won (1,740) with HI: a straight, Ten high; LO: 8,7,6,5,3

cubbies760 · Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject:

I'm a donk, so it's an insta-call, imo.

Zophar · Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject:

Fold. You are drawing to half pot at best.

kazor · Royal Flush Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 722

Normally I would fold this. The fact that you have two two's means you are more likely to be drawing to the low yourself so it might be a good gambling spot if your in the mood but I'd still fold. If you didnt have the second deuce, I'd definitely fold.

Flying_Kiwi · Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject:

I would type 'HAMMER' and then call, but only because it's cubbies.

speedracer75 · Pair Joined: 07 May 2008 Posts: 43

Absolutely fold. You have 80 chips invested in this pot, and after the flop, you're only drawing to a low (or a lucky runner runner flush or the like, but for all intents and purposes, your ONLY draw is the low draw). You can't make any straights (except the runner runner wheel) and aren't drawing to any high hand (other than the aforementioned runner runner flush, or possible trip 2s, but even that's not a good hand because not only would it be the worst set, but it would also bring a low, meaning you're STILL only playing for half the pot, except this time trying to get the high half instead of the low half). Also, who's to say the the original better, raiser, or re-raiser doesn't also have A2, meaning you're drawing you maybe 1/4 of the pot (i.e. getting your money back if all players go all in) or even worse if two people have A2.

When it's all said and done, with so little invested in this pot (80 chips) and having to go all in for another 1400 just to try and draw to half the pot, it should be an easy decision to fold.

speedracer75 · Pair Joined: 07 May 2008 Posts: 43

As a side note... the other night I did something I've never done before in PL omaha hi/lo... I had A2 preflop, and the flop came 345... and I FOLDED on the flop.

To be more specific... I had position and saw the flop cheaply (no one raised). The flop came 345 all hearts. It was bet (pot sized bet), raised (pot sized raise), and re-raised (all in) before action got to me. Calling would have put me all in (it was a $33+$3 SnG tournament, I think the 2nd hand). I took a quick step back and thought it through... I had 0% chance of winning the high, because I didn't have the hearts and with that action in front of me, I was convinced that someone did. I figured there was a very good chance that someone else had an A2, and the way the action went, even a decent chance that at least 2 other people had A2. Or, even if only 1 other person had A2, who's to say that the turn or river won't bring an A or 2, giving someone else another wheel?

Weighing it all together... 0% of winning high, very good chance of getting 1/4ered or worse for low, and having only 30 chips invested at this point, I folded my A2 on a flop of 345...

Of course, wouldn't you know... everyone called/went all in, and the hands were turned up. Original bettor had Q high hearts, raiser had trip 4s, and the re-raiser had the ace high flush (but only A6 for low). Turns and rivers were blanks, and the ace high flush/A6 low wound up scooping the pot. Yes, I would've won the low half of the pot all to myself and doubled up to about 3000 chips, but I remain convinced that I made the correct play, as odd as it was to lay down a flopped wheel!

craigo6x · Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:41 am Post subject:

Speedracer-that is an extremely disciplined fold, and I think a terrific assessment. Sucks that those were the showdown hands.

Skeeter-instafold. You are drawing to low only and it's not even unbreakable. Better spots.

skeeter1114 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 2496

The rest of the hand is played out in the original post. Just highlight the white text to see how it played out. I didn't like drawing to only the low. Plus, I'm basically screwed if an ace hits. Even a deuce doesn't make me feel that great with bottom set. It was more of a what to do with A-2 in this spot.

Kazor, I agree about having 2 deuces and that potentially being a reason to play that hand. I nearly played but decided against it.

To bring up what Craig mentioned, does anyone play it if the hand is A-2-2-3? Does that make a difference because of extra outs if an A, 2, or 3 hits?

craigo6x · Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:59 am Post subject:

gonefshng · Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:11 am Post subject:

I agree with the fold advice to a point. It's sound advice with no reads.
Putting 1400 into a pot where you have 80 invested isn't an optimum play
on a draw for half the pot, where you might not get there or get quartered.

Now, the part about the reads. You are playing a forum table where chips are spewing like there's no tomorrow. Half the table is playing any four for the fun of it. With an allin and a reraise in front of you, no one is trying to set a trap. Chances are, they are on worst draws than you. There are still a few to act after you, and I would expect more action with 4-6 players in the pot when the dust clears. There's no reason to expect the action to be different the next hand or the next....etc. At least as long as cubs and I are there. I'm playing this like a freeroll

So....... it comes down to gambling. Being, willing to get knocked out, 1/4'd, or doubling up or more. I would have called, A23X insta call.
Pick a different table to be so competitive. Lighten up, gambool, have some fun at the tables now and then. Learn to take a beat with a sigh and a laugh Laughing

. Puts the serious games in a better perspective..imo

skeeter1114 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 2496

Gone, while I appreciate your advice and think you are right, this is a general Omaha8 question that I have. I am still getting used to the game and have not played many SNG's or MTT's to fully know when to do certain moves. I would have posted this whether it was forumers or not. I want to make the best move, assuming it is not read-dependent.

craigo6x · Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject:

Was anyone else amused that both intruders were knocked out at the outset?

speedracer75 · Pair Joined: 07 May 2008 Posts: 43

cubbies760 · Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject:

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