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Zophar
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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: The Good, The Bad & The Ugly |
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So, to try to get some more activity going in this forum, I've decided to make a regular Good, Bad and Ugly(GBU) post. They will consist of three hand histories. A good one, bad one and ugly one(ugly hands to me are borderline trainwrecks. They are winning hands, but not necessarily well played or losing hands that were well played.). I think the concept has some potential.
Any of the hand's merits are up for discussion/debate/critique. Try to provide some reasoning, it's a key part of the process.
Anyone is welcome to post a GBU in the O8 forums.
The Good:
Full Tilt Poker Game #5402918131: Table Suntan (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 23:41:15 ET - 2008/02/25
Seat 2: ixnay onay ($26.35)
Seat 3: MyManz ($48.65)
Seat 4: Kid Ryan ($42.20)
Seat 5: Phulishwon ($9.35)
Seat 6: Zophar ($87.80)
Kid Ryan posts the small blind of $0.25
Phulishwon posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Zophar [5s 3c As 2s]
Zophar raises to $1.75
ixnay onay folds
MyManz calls $1.75
Kid Ryan folds
Phulishwon folds
*** FLOP *** [Ac 8d Kc]
niveek sits down
Zophar bets $3
niveek adds $50
MyManz calls $3
*** TURN *** [Ac 8d Kc] [4h]
Zophar bets $8.50
MyManz raises to $35.75
Zophar raises to $63
MyManz calls $8.15, and is all in
Zophar shows [5s 3c As 2s]
MyManz shows [7s 2h 4s 3h]
Uncalled bet of $19.10 returned to Zophar
*** RIVER *** [Ac 8d Kc 4h] [2c]
Zophar shows a straight, Five high, for high andZophar shows 5,4,3,2,A, for low
MyManz shows two pair, Fours and Twos, for high andMyManz shows 7,4,3,2,A, for low
Zophar wins the high pot ($47.55) with a straight, Five high
Zophar wins the low pot ($47.50) with 5,4,3,2,A
MyManz is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $98.05 | Rake $3
Board: [Ac 8d Kc 4h 2c]
Seat 2: ixnay onay didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: MyManz (button) showed [7s 2h 4s 3h] and lost with HI: two pair, Fours and Twos; LO: 7,4,3,2,A
Seat 4: Kid Ryan (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Phulishwon (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Zophar showed [5s 3c As 2s] and won ($95.05) with HI: a straight, Five high; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
The Bad:
Full Tilt Poker Game #5402366581: Table Suntan (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 22:57:42 ET - 2008/02/25
Seat 1: offstandoutapos ($32.70)
Seat 2: shannon11 ($42.25)
Seat 3: skimlaguna ($73)
Seat 4: adman67 ($27.80)
Seat 5: Phulishwon ($42.90)
Seat 6: Zophar ($82.15)
shannon11 posts the small blind of $0.25
skimlaguna posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Zophar [Kc 7d 3d Ks]
adman67 folds
Phulishwon calls $0.50
Zophar raises to $2
offstandoutapos folds
shannon11 folds
skimlaguna folds
Phulishwon calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [3h Th Jd]
Phulishwon checks
Zophar bets $3.50
Phulishwon calls $3.50
*** TURN *** [3h Th Jd] [5h]
Phulishwon checks
Zophar bets $6.50
Phulishwon calls $6.50
*** RIVER *** [3h Th Jd 5h] [2c]
Phulishwon checks
Zophar checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Zophar shows [Kc 7d 3d Ks] a pair of Kings, for high
Phulishwon shows [As 2s Ts 7h] two pair, Tens and Twos, for high and 7,5,3,2,A, for low
Phulishwon wins the high pot ($11.80) with two pair, Tens and Twos
Phulishwon wins the low pot ($11.75) with 7,5,3,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $24.75 | Rake $1.20
Board: [3h Th Jd 5h 2c]
Seat 1: offstandoutapos (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: shannon11 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: skimlaguna (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: adman67 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Phulishwon showed [As 2s Ts 7h] and won ($23.55) with HI: two pair, Tens and Twos; LO: 7,5,3,2,A
Seat 6: Zophar showed [Kc 7d 3d Ks] and lost with HI: a pair of Kings
The Ugly:
Full Tilt Poker Game #5402813121: Table Suntan (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 23:32:41 ET - 2008/02/25
Seat 1: PiquetteAces ($42.40)
Seat 2: ixnay onay ($16.75)
Seat 3: MyManz ($49.45)
Seat 4: Kid Ryan ($48.20)
Seat 5: Phulishwon ($21.35)
Seat 6: Zophar ($83.55)
Phulishwon posts the small blind of $0.25
Zophar posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Zophar [Tc 8s Kc Jh]
PiquetteAces folds
ixnay onay calls $0.50
MyManz folds
PiquetteAces stands up
Kid Ryan has 15 seconds left to act
Kid Ryan calls $0.50
Phulishwon folds
Zophar has 15 seconds left to act
Zophar checks
*** FLOP *** [4s Qh Ac]
Zophar checks
ixnay onay bets $1.75
Kid Ryan folds
Zophar calls $1.75
*** TURN *** [4s Qh Ac] [6c]
Zophar checks
ixnay onay bets $5.25
Zophar has 15 seconds left to act
Zophar calls $5.25
*** RIVER *** [4s Qh Ac 6c] [9c]
Kid Ryan has been disconnected
Zophar bets $15.75
Kid Ryan has reconnected
ixnay onay has 15 seconds left to act
ixnay onay folds
Uncalled bet of $15.75 returned to Zophar
Zophar mucks
Zophar wins the pot ($15)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15.75 | Rake $0.75
Board: [4s Qh Ac 6c 9c]
Seat 1: PiquetteAces didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: ixnay onay folded on the River
Seat 3: MyManz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Kid Ryan (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Phulishwon (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Zophar (big blind) collected ($15), mucked
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Big Slick x13x
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The Good: The only thing I don't like about this hand is that there is three spades. But at a 5 handed table it's not a big deal even UTG. Obviously NH.
The Bad: Ugh, you have KK and a terrible low / flush type hand that could carry some really high reverse implied odds. What's worse then you overplaying your hand is the fact that you were actually ahead until the river somehow when you checked. So that's really good that you didn't put any money at all in while you were behind. I really hate the turn bet though. It's one of those times where, unless you know this player gets aggressive with high hands and only calls w/ low hands, You're really just throwing money in and praying for a fold. However in this one case like I already stated somehow you actually got called by worse.
The Ugly: With the exception of the missing low draw from your hand, this is a pretty sweet flop for you, you have the nice wrap draw and back door clubs so I like calling the flop, especially since people like to bet low draws so much. On the turn you pick up that club draw and definitely have to call I think. There's always the chance that they're just betting a pair of aces or a low. On the river though I think you have to c/r and get max value. If you bet all the bluffs fold and you're probably only getting called if you split the pot. However if you check, some weird two pair or top pair hands might feel inclined to bet and rep the flush. Then raising when you know you're getting half the pot becomes a great play. |
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Zophar
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| Big Slick x13x wrote: |
| The Good: The only thing I don't like about this hand is that there is three spades. But at a 5 handed table it's not a big deal even UTG. Obviously NH. |
Shorthanded limit, this is a big hand. Shorthanded PL, it's a monster that loves to be played fast. 
| Big Slick x13x wrote: |
The Bad: Ugh, you have KK and a terrible low / flush type hand that could carry some really high reverse implied odds. What's worse then you overplaying your hand is the fact that you were actually ahead until the river somehow when you checked. So that's really good that you didn't put any money at all in while you were behind. I really hate the turn bet though. It's one of those times where, unless you know this player gets aggressive with high hands and only calls w/ low hands, You're really just throwing money in and praying for a fold. However in this one case like I already stated somehow you actually got called by worse. |
From the CO+, KKxx is a pretty standard raise in an unopened pot for me, especially if there are some TAG's following. I prefer xx to be suited and/or coordinated with the KK, but in position, it's as much of a steal as anything else. If I get reraised(very uncommon), I can dump it or look to float a flop. Post flop, I'm c-betting a ton of boards. If I hit a K, even better.
I agree that the turn is where it turned south. It was a 2nd barrel bluff, but at the wrong time. Should've just checked behind there or bet a little less.
| Big Slick x13x wrote: |
The Ugly: With the exception of the missing low draw from your hand, this is a pretty sweet flop for you, you have the nice wrap draw and back door clubs so I like calling the flop, especially since people like to bet low draws so much. On the turn you pick up that club draw and definitely have to call I think. There's always the chance that they're just betting a pair of aces or a low. On the river though I think you have to c/r and get max value. If you bet all the bluffs fold and you're probably only getting called if you split the pot. However if you check, some weird two pair or top pair hands might feel inclined to bet and rep the flush. Then raising when you know you're getting half the pot becomes a great play. |
I don't like to play these too fast OOP because of the low draw. If the A was paint instead, I'm jamming for sure. But, because of the low draw, and the fact that I don't have a made hand with 2 cards to come, I was a little hesitant. Calling the potted turn wasn't so hot. The FD was a great addition, but it was a low, so I may be only drawing for 1/2 pot. Not a great idea. I'm not even sure if I bet too much on the river or not. If I made a worse high only hand fold, that's bad. If I made a qualifying low fold, it's a good bet. Maybe it's just a wash. FWIW, I hate check/raising the river. Against certain LAG's I'll do it, but I have to be confident they'll bet. Otherwise, I'm missing either way too many bets or giving up way too many half pots. |
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