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Online Poker Forum - Stupid call with luck? or good call? Help!

 
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xxsn1perxx
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:55 pm    Post subject: Stupid call with luck? or good call? Help! Reply with quote

Full Tilt Poker Game #4947814636: Table Ozzie (6 max) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 21:46:57 ET - 2008/01/21
Seat 1: jonnyallin ($176.70)
Seat 2: joggefar ($153)
Seat 3: MWT5 ($211.15)
Seat 4: pb79 ($159.55)
Seat 5: dc1818 ($116.10)
Seat 6: XXSN1PERXX ($320.95)
jonnyallin posts the small blind of $1
joggefar posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to XXSN1PERXX [6h 3h 8d Qs]
MWT5 calls $2
pb79 folds
dc1818 calls $2
XXSN1PERXX calls $2
jonnyallin calls $1
joggefar checks
*** FLOP *** [7d Qc 3d]
jonnyallin checks
joggefar bets $10
MWT5 folds
dc1818 folds
XXSN1PERXX calls $10
jonnyallin has 15 seconds left to act
jonnyallin folds
*** TURN *** [7d Qc 3d] [Qh]
joggefar checks
XXSN1PERXX bets $15
joggefar raises to $48
XXSN1PERXX calls $33
*** RIVER *** [7d Qc 3d Qh] [As]
joggefar has 15 seconds left to act
joggefar bets $93, and is all in
XXSN1PERXX has 15 seconds left to act
XXSN1PERXX calls $93
*** SHOW DOWN ***
joggefar shows [7c 7h 2h Th] a full house, Sevens full of Queens
XXSN1PERXX shows [6h 3h 8d Qs] a full house, Queens full of Threes
XXSN1PERXX wins the pot ($309) with a full house, Queens full of Threes
joggefar adds $47
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $312 | Rake $3
Board: [7d Qc 3d Qh As]
Seat 1: jonnyallin (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: joggefar (big blind) showed [7c 7h 2h Th] and lost with a full house, Sevens full of Queens
Seat 3: MWT5 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: pb79 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: dc1818 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: XXSN1PERXX (button) showed [6h 3h 8d Qs] and won ($309) with a full house, Queens full of Threes

I thought about it for a long time and figured the only cards that beat my was Q7 (didnt put him on AQ or AA) but I called not sure if I was beat or not so I was just wondering if this was a good call or not
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WeAreTheLast
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Joined: 24 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont like the preflop play. easy fold for me. you can play your position but then you have to raise.

call on the flop is ok. the call on the turn is questionable. if it's a passive player I would probably fold. otherwise push...
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docallme
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Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The preflop play was good.
The call for $10 on flop was good.
But after you filled up, you should have let them bet and just call agianst a tight player because they easily could have had AQ or Q7 or any Q with a better kicker and drawn out on you.

I've won 2 Omaha Tourny's in the past week and I think you played that great for a tournament but slow down since its a cash game.

GL
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dumwaldo
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You got pretty lucky.

6h 3h 8d Qs???

Would you play suited 36 for a raise in a Hold Em' game?

Would you play offsuit 68 for a raise in a Hold Em' game?

Would you play offsuit Q6 for a raise in a Hold Em' game?

Would you play offsuit Q8 for a raise in a Hold Em' game?

Would you play offsuit Q3 for a raise in a Hold Em' game?

Would you play offsuit 83 for a raise in a Hold Em' game?

You had what amounts to an offsuit 72 in hold em' and instead of folding you put money in the pot.

Long term this is not a very wise play. You got lucky and caught lightning to win the pot but more often than not when you play horrible starting hands like this, you will not get a positive result. Luck never lasts forever.

peace,
dumwaldo

DW
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Mr_Kurns
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very loose pre-flop call. Your hand was not connected in any way. I would have folded on the flop because if you have him beat you will win a small pot, if he has you beaten you are very unlikely to make a full house (reversed implied odds). Risking big to win small not a good idea.
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mathman1115
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

docallme wrote:
The preflop play was good.


Please tell me your kidding. 6h 3h 8d Qs is about as trashy as it gets, because if it does flop two pair or trips or even a full house, there are still many hands that can easily outdraw or dominate it.
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Freestyling
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

R u all kidding? cheap preflop play....Both...yeah BOTH made an ugly call in to dance with.....with nothing but a diamond flush draw....or those 2 miracle hands of AA or AQ...u had 2 CHEAPLY gamble that u were dominant....otherwise...I say ur all chickens....just my opinion tho...LOL
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Freestyling
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry u all...i am just getting into omaha...but hey....that's a cheap dance open hand for both of them.....that particual board...sure...shoulda, woulda, coulda......anything is possible yeah...but look at it....he had 2 b fairly sure he was dominant.
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Freestyling
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

........and I'm sorry....NOT...this game wasn't NL hold'em...they BOTH held trash and decided to gamble right?
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dumwaldo
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freestyling,

You are absolutely right about the quality of both of their starting hands. They were both holding complete junk but the big difference is that joggefar was in the big blind and XXSN1PERXX called to get into the pot. Joggefar essentially saw a free flop.

When you Voulentarily Put $ Into the Pot you should be more selective.
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warnaldo
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dumwaldo lining up for defeat?
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mathman1115
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another reason why i love omaha. Because you have 4 cards and it only costs 1 BB to see a flop, i guess thats an auto call. LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
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shortbuzbully
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Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you're both pretty terrible to be honest, and if you were playing in a full ring game of omaha neither one of those hands would hold up to that board. Horrible trashy card selection by both of you, and by the way you had fourth nut, like i said in a full ring game you lose 97 pct of the pots with fourth nut, grats on six handed gambling.
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