Online Poker Forum - Pro advice correct?

PokerJessO · Royal Flush Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 616

Here is a question I got from UB's Question of the Week:

MPMTL · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Oct 2008 Posts: 1816

I think what Liv is trying to get across is the importance of slowing down the aggro player as a means of pot control ... MTTs are mostly about winning small pots and grinding your way up as opposed to winning one epic pot. If aggro villain folds here and we don't extract any more money, so be it - I think it's just a more conservative play, that's all.

Now that the logical part of my brain is done talking, I'd like to say that I'd probably shove over villain's re-raise or maybe flat and check/shove the turn. If they're super-aggro, you're probably getting called by worse in these spots.

Alright, now all of the MTT regs can come and laugh at my logic.

lovebeefstew · Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:07 pm Post subject:

I think all people involved are donks as you cannot possibly expect an answer, and you can't possibly give an answer, without more information. Blinds? stack sizes? Tournament limit?

It's like saying, "someone goes all in and you have JJ, what do you do?" Well I dont fcking know!!!

PokerJessO · Royal Flush Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 616

francois8 · Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:16 pm Post subject:

"Supper aggressive" would probably stick a reraise in pf with AA vs two players, similarly he probably wouldn't raise so much on a dry flop if he had a set of 5s or 3s here as such a hand would be almost certain to be the nuts by the end given the preflop action and lack of plausible draws. Since you didn't re-raise preflop, he isn't as likely to give you credit for something as strong as AK. From where he sits, a hand like KJ / K9 sooted is more likely to call a preflop raise.

LBS is right that it would also matter what the buy-in was. If I'm playing in a $500 buy-in, I may be more cautious / give my opponent more credit for a possible set than in a typical 10-26$ tourney. Given its a normal online MTT, I shove it in and expect him to fold his medium pocket pair or call with worse perhaps something of the KQ variety.

If you're wrong, life goes on, but you're not going to win many online tourneys if you start folding AK on this flop given these supposed reads.

lurgertor · Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject:

Yep, if botton is super aggressive he could have medium pairs like 66, 77, or 88, a set of 5s or 3s is possible, but most likely is a Kx type hand and he's raising for value. For me calling or raising are both alright, given UTG is a nit and is facing a bet and a raise, he's folding unless he's got KK or maybe AK, so we really only have to worry about the botton which we probably have beat anyway. Raising puts a lot into the pot, so much checking would have to be the right play OTT, unless a second king comes. Calling gives the chance to check raise the turn, as long as the turn card isn't higher than an 8, then I would check call, shove, or maybe even donk bet depending on my read. Donk betting would be a nice way of regaining control of the pot and OTR the hero could value bet or choose to check it down depending on the circumstances at the time.

adam27x · Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:33 pm Post subject:

you should wait for UTG to act

NilesMonkey · Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject:

CompleteDonk · Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:15 am Post subject:

I'd call and re-evaluate the turn. I mean a case can even be made for just folding the flop unless he's like spewy and bad. If he's a good aggro reg you can seriously just fold the flop vs. his raise if you're a random. I assume hero has a random image. I really think the aggro button or whatever if he's good is never raising without a set and 33/55 are the biggest part of his range of course when he does raise the flop.

If we're dealing with some spewy aggro fish I'd call the flop and most likely call down all streets.

lovebeefstew · Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:28 am Post subject:

alew22 · Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject:

I think that he/she means that you have to assume your real big on this flop. With the super-aggro stacks firing at you, AK must be played as the best hand here. If the villains we're kind of on the tight side, you should make the call to slow their action down. (they're tight for a reason...they may have a nice hand here but when u call, they will worry about wut u have on the incoming streets...slowing the pot growth. Or they could have u dominated with a set so a raise wouldn't be a good move. You can re-evaluate the turn and river.) Get to showdown as fast as possible. BUT, since they are super-aggro, there's a good chance they could be bluffing so we need to exploit that. Putting in a raise gives u the equity of making your opponent fold while also taking control of the pot. This is what we need to do agaisnt aggro opponents. This wouldn't be advised against tight players because they usually have a good hand in this spot and would call/reraise. ....I'd say to still try and get to showdown asap if called on turn.

alew22 · Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject:

P.S. i dont think i could get away from this against aggro big-stacks.....dream flop for AK.....i honestly never try to put any1 on a set, atleast on the flop.....i think it keeps me sane, it's very difficult....any1 has any pointers, lemme know lol

iahawkeye53 · Straight Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Posts: 114

if you're going to fold to a raise here thinking someone flopped a set every time then why would you be betting the flop if you're drawing semi dead.

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