Online Poker Forum - Poker Bots Raking Online Money

paulaanderson81 · High Card Joined: 07 Jun 2009 Posts: 10

Sophisticated card-playing robots � known as �poker bots� � have now been playing online for years and, while bots are not waiting at every table to rake the money, it is very likely that you will play against one from time to time.

Of course, online poker rooms have been fighting bots since the beginning as it hurts their
revenues but, detecting bots is becoming more challenging every day as bots improve their
counter-detection measures.

All this effort for online poker bots proves, if still needed, that it is a very lucrative business to be in. But how are poker bots raking online money? In other words, how come poker bots are so successful against human players?

Thomas Kessler, founder of (a free Poker coaching service based on a leading bot), explains what makes poker bots so strong:

In the long run, poker bots are winning against humans and this can easily be explained by a number of bots� intrinsics:

� Analytical power: bots have, already today, a massive amount of analytical power and it
is going to further double every two years as computers become more powerful. Our bot,
for instance, simulates ~5 million situations at the Flop in less than a second to perfectly
assess the current hand strength and the possible outcomes. Something a human player
will obviously never match.

� Lifelong memory: can you remember how the opponent sitting next to you last month was
playing? Bots have a memory that will never fail. They can remember all their opponent�s
previous actions and playing style. In our case, we store all the observed moves (even if
our bot isn�t in the hand) in a large database and, next time we play against the same
opponent � even in 3 years, we already know his playing style.

� Discipline: most humans are open to emotions and are sometimes looking for adrenaline
in a game. Bots are disciplined and will, for instance, never go on a tilt. Discipline is key in
poker and always pays off in the long run.

� Game richness: there are many great poker strategy books out there but most players
remember less than 20% of it and they often over-use the few strategies they remember.
Bots can learn a large set of strategies and only apply them when most appropriate.

� Patience: who likes to fold 80% of his hands without seeing the Flop? Bots will only play
hands that should be played, even if they�ll have to spend most of their time watching
opponents playing (and collecting information on their playing style).

When asked what human players can do to defeat bots, Thomas says: to increase your chances
against bots you should definitely train yourself with them to learn their play pattern.

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pokerproplaya08 · Pair Joined: 23 Apr 2009 Posts: 42

sick. does ftp try to limit or not allow bots?

markljackson · Straight Flush Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 398

Geez, here we go again; another wannabe expert out to make a name for himself by stirring up trouble with nothing but fearmongering nonsense.

The best way to defeat the bots is for sites to assign random names to your account when you log in. That will stop the data mining.

BTW, shills for sites like the one mentioned are far more problematic than the 'bots. Gee only 10 posts ( on June 9 2009)?

GamblerFace · Straight Flush Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 401

smoking ash · Two Pair Joined: 06 Oct 2008 Posts: 59

Bots hurt their bottom line??? Bots will play hands for hours thus increasing rake thus increasing their profits......

If a person will play three hours and a bot will play 8 hours....seems profitable for the site....dont yea think.....Bots dont hurt the site owner just the other players....

JINGOisME · Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:12 pm Post subject:

Unless the bots are colluding together or can see or predict cards to come they don't even have much the advantage over human players, I'd say. Humans are as unpredictable as it gets, a bot isn't going to know what people have and will end up folding big hands based on previously recorded results that have no basis on the current hand.

Plus, in poker, every hand is different from one other. You might flop a set and bust someone one hand with 5s but that doesn't mean you won't flop a set next time and bust yourself. So I'd think there would def be a lot of misreads and bad plays on a bots end.

Not having emotions is a good factor to have, if you care about your bot, and dont want it to get sad or depressd after it loses all of your money.

cese · Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject:

take note of these players they are exploitable. also if you dont want bots play deep stacked games i dont think they can play those well.

Pokerbotting · Banned Joined: 11 Jul 2009 Posts: 11

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Pokerbotting · Banned Joined: 11 Jul 2009 Posts: 11

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You can make as many accounts, as you threatened before, as you want. If I'm on I'll just delete them, as will any other mods. If you really want to waste your time, go ahead, but it really is pretty pathetic. Just sayin'.

g_420man · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:45 pm Post subject:

Pokerbotting · Banned Joined: 11 Jul 2009 Posts: 11

lol lol lol, within 24 hrs the proxy choosing bot that can create threads automatically will be finished, good luck deleting all posts mate! Fulltilt should have never scammed me in the first place when I lost thousands of dollars.

Pokerbotting · Banned Joined: 11 Jul 2009 Posts: 11

Anyone has information where Fulltilt is registered, I really would like to sue them and I have quiet some case for them Very Happy

Ps I love to waste my time on that since it's only a couple of hours work for one time.

They are just so stupid that they don't require any authentication accept for confirming the email which is easyer then tieing my shoes

Pokerbotting · Banned Joined: 11 Jul 2009 Posts: 11

Maybe you like to know why I started working on a pokerbot?

Well I will tell you, because it is rigged from the start I builded the bot to create a huge handhistory sample.
At the moment this sample is investigated by my university, when it's finished it go's with me to court, and we will inform the press all over the world with press releases and that kind of things. This is really going to be funny.

Anyone who wants to join the group on this can volunteer at as well. Please put in the title volunteer so you won't be spammed with advertisements for the pokerbot.

Zophar · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:57 pm Post subject:

As I said before, pathetic. And for clarification, your spamming the forum will mean nothing to the client. The only reason the forum is still standing is because of the dedication of one employee, so realistically the only people you end up causing problems for are the regular users. If you are really that selfish, I feel bad for you.

CoAz Kid · Straight Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 116

I would think it would be easy to beat a bot, once you figured out that you were playing one.

I mean, they operate on programming, so they follow a set of rules. If you understand the rules they follow (and the internet is full of sites explaining that), then you should be able to easily beat them over the long run. Even if it uses AI, so what? That just means that it can work out your strategy and adjust to it. Anytime anyone or anything is adjusting to you, YOU are in control.

As far as the analytical power? yawn!!
A bot can calculate 5 million possible situations in 1 second at the flop. Did anyone take the time to inform the programmer that there are only 19,600 possible card combinations at the flop, and even at the turn there are only 230k?!?

Bring on the bots! Im ready.

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