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Fimbu Two Pair
Joined: 27 Aug 2008 Posts: 55 Location: Oslo, Norway
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject: Pocket pair, "late" in a 9man sng, $2, Good or bad spot for a shove? |
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Hello,
Today is the day for pretty tight tables at the $2 sng. My 3rd super tight table in a row, so 5 players left and the blind is eating away.
M < 5 is not a comfy spot.
I'm thinking I did the right thing here, but then again.. play it safe and wait for the bubble, or shove all day long?
1 table sit and go, $2 at Full tilt poker:
Full Tilt Poker $2 + 0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 5 players -
The Official Hand History
SB: t720 M = 2.40
BB: t2500 M = 8.33
Hero (UTG): t1270 M = 4.23
CO: t1610 M = 5.37
BTN: t7400 M = 24.67
Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is UTG with 5 5
Hero raises to t1270 all in, 3 folds, BB calls t1070
Flop: (t2640) K 2 3
Turn: (t2640) 9
River: (t2640) Q
Last edited by Fimbu on Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:34 am; edited 1 time in total |
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fat rugger Royal Flush
Joined: 06 Feb 2009 Posts: 789
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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shove all day in my opinion.
You're pretty short can't really wait for the bubble. And I would steal with this even if you weren't short. |
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NilesMonkey Message Board Junkie
Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 1148 Location: Schenectady, NY
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:37 am Post subject: |
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A shove is good here, especially against a tight table.
One other thing, just to clarify:
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| M > 5 is not a comfy spot. |
Should be M < 5. The alligator eats whatever is the biggest.  |
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lovebeefstew Also likes tacos
Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 5937 Location: Finished university one time :-)
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| Yeh shove here is good. |
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Fimbu Two Pair
Joined: 27 Aug 2008 Posts: 55 Location: Oslo, Norway
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks all for the advice. I've bean shoving PP all day long when I got in similar situations.
Got another post now about a higher PP in an earlier stage of the game:
http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/not-sure-if-this-is-the-right-place-to-make-a-stab-at-it-or-not-5-single-table-sng-t86836.html
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| Fimbu wrote: |
| M > 5 is not a comfy spot. |
Should be M < 5. The alligator eats whatever is the biggest.  |
Ops, thanks a lot, edited my original post to fix it.
While I'm posting anyway, and not really contributing.. bad beat of the day (had a few.. )
Full Tilt Poker $2 + 0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 6 players -
The Official Hand History
UTG: t910 M = 12.13
MP: t2035 M = 27.13
Hero (CO): t1500 M = 20
BTN: t4330 M = 57.73
SB: t3625 M = 48.33
BB: t1100 M = 14.67
Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is CO with A A
UTG calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t125, 3 folds, UTG calls t75
Flop: (t325) Q K 6 (2 players)
UTG bets t325, Hero raises to t1375 all in, UTG calls t460 all in
Turn: (t1895) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)
River: (t1895) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)
Final Pot: t1895
It's not like I did anything wrong.. right?
UTG shows K 5 (a full house, Fives full of Kings)
Hero shows A A (a flush, Ace high)
UTG wins t1895
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PSOpokerchef High Card
Joined: 07 Mar 2009 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| same advice as earlier easy shove |
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Danduy Full House
Joined: 01 Dec 2008 Posts: 202 Location: Tessenderlo (Belgium)
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:25 am Post subject: |
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You want action with your aces in the last hand. But your raise is just to small. You're giving the UTG a +3:1 odds on his call so he is right to call with almost everything (he doen't know you hold the aces) as a 2:1 overall dogg.
If he is getting 3:1 on a call with any pp and hits it on a ragged flop. You'll have a hard time to get away from it, so let them gamble with the worst of it and raise some bigger like 250 - 300 or so to denie him proper odds and keep limpers out on the blinds because they have the same odds (except the SB off course) as the first limper
Even why a bigger raise is appropriate is that he 'could' be planning with a big hand to come over the top and that would be the best scenario for you or he was feeling pot commited and reraised all-in. All good scenarios for you.
All in all the hand worked out untill the river. He could not get away from top pair, bad kicker and drew out on you. These things happen from time to time.
But keep it up and good luck at the tables. |
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Kam1972 Message Board Junkie
Joined: 03 Sep 2008 Posts: 2181 Location: Lady Luck's house asking nicely for favouritism.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| Danduy wrote: |
You want action with your aces in the last hand. But your raise is just to small. You're giving the UTG a +3:1 odds on his call so he is right to call with almost everything (he doen't know you hold the aces) as a 2:1 overall dogg.
If he is getting 3:1 on a call with any pp and hits it on a ragged flop. You'll have a hard time to get away from it, so let them gamble with the worst of it and raise some bigger like 250 - 300 or so to denie him proper odds and keep limpers out on the blinds because they have the same odds (except the SB off course) as the first limper
Even why a bigger raise is appropriate is that he 'could' be planning with a big hand to come over the top and that would be the best scenario for you or he was feeling pot commited and reraised all-in. All good scenarios for you.
All in all the hand worked out untill the river. He could not get away from top pair, bad kicker and drew out on you. These things happen from time to time.
But keep it up and good luck at the tables. |
Not a chance in a billion villian in this hand or most players at $2 level know how to correctly apply pot odds. The fact this guy is limping from EP with K5, calls any raise and calls an all in shove with it shows he has the poker playing ability of a pissed up monkey.
Agree though that its a good habit to get into making better raises |
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CitizenCain Three Pair
Joined: 23 Oct 2006 Posts: 2474 Location: Behind a huge stack of chips.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is CO with A A
UTG calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t125, 3 folds, UTG calls t75
Flop: (t325) Q K 6 (2 players)
UTG bets t325, Hero raises to t1375 all in, UTG calls t460 all in
Turn: (t1895) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)
River: (t1895) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)
Final Pot: t1895
It's not like I did anything wrong.. right? |
You let him suck out on you. Looks like you're using the card controlling software incorrectly. |
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Danduy Full House
Joined: 01 Dec 2008 Posts: 202 Location: Tessenderlo (Belgium)
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| CitizenCain wrote: |
| Fimbu wrote: |
Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is CO with A A
UTG calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t125, 3 folds, UTG calls t75
Flop: (t325) Q K 6 (2 players)
UTG bets t325, Hero raises to t1375 all in, UTG calls t460 all in
Turn: (t1895) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)
River: (t1895) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)
Final Pot: t1895
It's not like I did anything wrong.. right? |
You let him suck out on you. Looks like you're using the card controlling software incorrectly. |
LMOA |
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Azonicbh Pair
Joined: 02 Aug 2009 Posts: 44
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:42 am Post subject: |
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That's a definate shove as someone said. Although , if you had 2k chips or more in that same situation I would advise otherwise. Anywhere from 2k to 2.5k chips I would almost advise to fold. If you have 2.5k+ chips you can make a standard 2.5/3bb raise since it's a tight table.
The problem with the 2k~2.5k shove in that situation is that since these people are tight , if you get called you'll probably be a very big dog . It's a big risk for a 300 chip blind steal when you have as many chips. But since you have 6bb you can't really wait for a better spot , and that 300 chips represents a full 25% of your chip stack if you win it. |
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