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G8Nutz
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 Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:44 pm Post subject: outlast the Donks in deep tourneys, is it possible? |
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| How in the world is it possible to defeat maniac idiots table after table in deep freeroll tourneys (aka 7500 max every 9pm EST). I would guess that 95% or more are barely decent players. Those 7000+ donkeys play 95% of their hands preflop in any position. Is it b/c it's a FREEroll?? Or do I just need to REALLY loosen it up early and even middle of the tourney till it gets down to that 5% cream-of-the-crop? |
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Captain Japple
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| It's a freeroll. And the maniac idiots don't care because it's a freeroll, and they can get in the next one. Stay tight for the first few levels, then play your regular poker. If that doesn't work, get in the next freeroll. |
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lovebeefstew
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| Shove good hands. Ez game. |
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lurgertor
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Shove when dealt aces, repeat process, easy game. |
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francois8
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| Dude its hard to beat a field of 7500 in anything... with a regular tourney of that size top 750-800 or so would get money. I'm sure its less in freeroll. If everyone's loose, you play tight, never bluff. When you get big hands, shove them since loose players will call. EZ game, but you'll need to run good also. |
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qsins
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From my experience you dont have to play the first 5 hands unless you got something good
its easy to tell when somone is on tilt on a new board too when you get a table change. also these idiotic players normally are gone within 15 minutes just look at how many disapeer. the next thing that comes are big bluffers you gotta be able to recognize who the bullies are and be one yourself. after that its normally solid play. |
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junkbutton
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| A freeroll that big is just BINGO... I disagree with playing tight for the first few levels like suggested earlier. You've got to find a hand that has potential, shove it and hope to get lucky. Do that a few times, get a stack going, and then you'll have a chance to make it deep. Playing tight, unless you get some big hands early, is only going to leave you with a major chip deficit compared to the others when you decide it's time to play real poker. Cashing in a field that big is going to take a lot of luck. Might as well take your chances early than sit around for 3 hours nursing a baby stack and have no real chance or getting deep. |
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lovebeefstew
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| A freeroll that big is just BINGO... I disagree with playing tight for the first few levels like suggested earlier. You've got to find a hand that has potential, shove it and hope to get lucky. Do that a few times, get a stack going, and then you'll have a chance to make it deep. Playing tight, unless you get some big hands early, is only going to leave you with a major chip deficit compared to the others when you decide it's time to play real poker. Cashing in a field that big is going to take a lot of luck. Might as well take your chances early than sit around for 3 hours nursing a baby stack and have no real chance or getting deep. |
This is horrible advice on so many levels. Unless of course, it is just a level. In which case, it's just as dumb. |
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junkbutton
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| lovebeefstew wrote: |
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| A freeroll that big is just BINGO... I disagree with playing tight for the first few levels like suggested earlier. You've got to find a hand that has potential, shove it and hope to get lucky. Do that a few times, get a stack going, and then you'll have a chance to make it deep. Playing tight, unless you get some big hands early, is only going to leave you with a major chip deficit compared to the others when you decide it's time to play real poker. Cashing in a field that big is going to take a lot of luck. Might as well take your chances early than sit around for 3 hours nursing a baby stack and have no real chance or getting deep. |
This is horrible advice on so many levels. Unless of course, it is just a level. In which case, it's just as dumb. |
Please be specific... This is pretty much what you said, but with a few more words, plus I'll assume I'm playing looser here. When you're sitting with T1,200 and everyone else has T9,000 and you finally get JJ to shove, and 3 people call you, you're toast. I'm just saying that there's no point in wasting 3 hours to get to that point. Get lucky early or get out. It's a freeroll we're talking about here. |
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lovebeefstew
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| junkbutton wrote: |
| lovebeefstew wrote: |
| junkbutton wrote: |
| A freeroll that big is just BINGO... I disagree with playing tight for the first few levels like suggested earlier. You've got to find a hand that has potential, shove it and hope to get lucky. Do that a few times, get a stack going, and then you'll have a chance to make it deep. Playing tight, unless you get some big hands early, is only going to leave you with a major chip deficit compared to the others when you decide it's time to play real poker. Cashing in a field that big is going to take a lot of luck. Might as well take your chances early than sit around for 3 hours nursing a baby stack and have no real chance or getting deep. |
This is horrible advice on so many levels. Unless of course, it is just a level. In which case, it's just as dumb. |
Please be specific... This is pretty much what you said, but with a few more words, plus I'll assume I'm playing looser here. When you're sitting with T1,200 and everyone else has T9,000 and you finally get JJ to shove, and 3 people call you, you're toast. I'm just saying that there's no point in wasting 3 hours to get to that point. Get lucky early or get out. It's a freeroll we're talking about here. |
The OP mentions nothing of the way we value the tournament in terms of monetary means. Only that others may value it as you mention (ie a FREEroll). The way in which to succeed in freerolls is not to just gamble and chip up early at all. Sure, this might be a strategy you or I might use, since we don't give a rats azz if we lose. But this does not mean it is the most +ev strategy at all.
It's a common misconception. Like people think in turbo games you have to be looser, which is just wrong. If anything, you need to tighen up since alot of the time, all your chips are all going in when you play a hand. This is similar to freerolls. The best strategy is to tighten up, and when you get a hand, be prepared to stick your whole stack in. By definition, this means that we should be more selective with our hands.
I feel you are confusing the way in which most people would play these games (based on the nature of affordability), with what is actually the optimum way to play them, which is the issue clearly lacking in OP's arsenal. |
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junkbutton
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| lovebeefstew wrote: |
I feel you are confusing the way in which most people would play these games (based on the nature of affordability), with what is actually the optimum way to play them, which is the issue clearly lacking in OP's arsenal. |
I'm just sharing the way I would play it, taking into consideration both how most people would play it and the way I feel is the optimum way to play it. It's the way I play the weekly 2+2 pokercast freeroll on Stars. It's not a 7,000 person field, but it's 2-3K and I've had some success with them, so I thought I'd share. |
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lovebeefstew
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| junkbutton wrote: |
| lovebeefstew wrote: |
I feel you are confusing the way in which most people would play these games (based on the nature of affordability), with what is actually the optimum way to play them, which is the issue clearly lacking in OP's arsenal. |
I'm just sharing the way I would play it, taking into consideration both how most people would play it and the way I feel is the optimum way to play it. It's the way I play the weekly 2+2 pokercast freeroll on Stars. It's not a 7,000 person field, but it's 2-3K and I've had some success with them, so I thought I'd share. |
Well I would argue that while I totally understand why you would play freerolls like this, given that they are indeed free, it is a far from optimal strategy based on a decent volume. |
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dcdoorknob
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| Heh well I think optimum is somewhere in the middle here. I play freerolls like TAG on steroids, but not really super tight. I just need a hand that rates to be at least slightly ahead and I'm willing to go with it. That can be AA obv, or it can be A8 preflop or 2nd pair post flop, depending on the villain. |
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DannehBoi
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| Heh well I think optimum is somewhere in the middle here. I play freerolls like TAG on steroids, but not really super tight. |
This.
Play 100% ABC poker in freerolls. It's the most effective method because your opponents will not be looking at what you're doing, only at their cards.
Raise with Ace face in the proper position. Limp with pocket pairs. Limp with suited connectors if you got a couple limpers behind you.
Bet out all your made hands unless you're facing a complete maniac.
Check/call flush/straight draws.
All that good stuff. |
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