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capt midnight · Full House Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 179

Every time i look at the finishes of the pros on FTP MTT only a few seem to finish in the money. In fact a lot of the time i see them finishing near the bottom of the list. Anyone have an idea why this is?

My theory is that if you sit at a table full of fish who are always in pots they shouldnt be you will be sucked out more often. Take pocket A's. Although a fav preflop their % goes down when more people take the flop.

Many people disagree with me here but ive seen it enough at low limit to know its happening. You make a hearty raise with your AA and 4 people call with King, Queen or suited connectors (or unconnected). And ofcourse they get cracked.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject:

I'd say it's a combination of a couple things:

1. Everyone's gunning for the pros. It feels good taking a pro out. I took Seidel out of a sng once, and even though there's no bounty in sngs, it felt pretty good.

2. I think pros have more of a 'go big or go home' attitude in tourneys. Many online players (myself included) let themselves get down too low in chips. I was reading an article on Howard Lederer's website, and he mentioned how during, I think it was the 2003 WSOP, he was getting low on chips, and desperate to make a move. When I did the math, he still had 10 times the blinds and antes.

If you don't make the money, you might as well be dead last.

GripHoldOn · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:00 pm Post subject:

The pros don't pay that much attention in the lower buy-in tournaments. They chat and still play their hands, but they aren't really playing their best games. In the higher buy-in tournies, the pros success has actually been quite good, Allen Cunningham won his way into the WSOP Main Event through FTP.

capt midnight · Full House Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 179

if thats the case they need to change their ads....come play with us we wont play that hard LOL might get more people here

GripHoldOn · Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject:

I heard from Ephro that at the WSOP Main Event this year, 60% of the players who went out on day 1 went out holding AA.

Blaster · Three of a Kind Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 76

Steve Brecher · Full Tilt Pro Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 115

Wow, no one has yet mentioned bounties!

(In MTTs on Full Tilt, a player who busts a pro gets a cash bounty of one buy-in -- plus a custom t-shirt.)

Sure, the bounty can occasionally work in a pro's favor by inducing a call from a weaker hand that would otherwise fold. But on average the pro must bet (risk) more than other players in order to give an opponent the same pot odds (including the bounty's effect), or, if all-in, is giving the opponent better pot odds than a non-pro would be giving. Or to put it another way, the pro must hold better hands than other players who make the same bets in otherwise similar situations.

In sum, the bounty is a net disadvantage to the pro which results in a worse average finish.

Abby17 · High Card Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Posts: 3

Funny that you say that about Tues $24+2...I had the same thing happen on the first hand of the 10PM WED $24+2 by Q8o.

I feel for you.

Abby17

One_Jackal · Pair Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 34

A bit of luck is required to win a MTT. In addition, some of the MTTs are low buyin events. A couple of hours is enough teaching time. Think about it, if you normally play $100/200 NL, how much time would you spend on a $20 buy in MTT?

billy_rayle · Three of a Kind Joined: 28 Sep 2008 Posts: 85

yea i know, pros cant win everytime

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