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junkbutton
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| honkythunder wrote: |
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| Suck bet... never heard that one before... I wouldn't say a value bet is a small bet that you make when you think your opponent missed. I'd describe it as betting on the river the largest amount you think your opponent will call when you feel you have the best hand. Like someone said, building the pot... |
A suck bet occurs when you are reasonably sure your opponent knows he/she is beat so you bet just a very small amount so they will call just to see. You are 'sucking' the very last bit of $ out of them as you can.
On a very high level of play - sometimes experienced player vs. experienced player will use a suck bet as a bluff as well. |
Makes sense.... Thanks. |
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DevilfishFan
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Sometimes they bet big trying to represent a bluff. I hate that  |
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DevilfishFan
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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If I KNEW he was drawing and missed I would check it to him and hope he bluffs at it. If I just knew he was weak but wasn't sure THEN I would go for the value bet. River play is very underrated. |
I find it very difficult to check on the river if I think I have the best hand. |
If you put someone on a busted draw why would you bet? He's gonna call you with 8 high? Not likely. Especially against an aggressive player I would check a lot of hands in that spot and raise or call depending on the situation. |
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junkbutton
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| DevilfishFan wrote: |
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If I KNEW he was drawing and missed I would check it to him and hope he bluffs at it. If I just knew he was weak but wasn't sure THEN I would go for the value bet. River play is very underrated. |
I find it very difficult to check on the river if I think I have the best hand. |
If you put someone on a busted draw why would you bet? He's gonna call you with 8 high? Not likely. Especially against an aggressive player I would check a lot of hands in that spot and raise or call depending on the situation. |
Well, like everything, it's situational... But what if he doesn't have a busted draw? What if he has top pair with a weak kicker? He's just going to check if you check... But he might pay off a small value bet if you bet it. Also, if he's aggressive, and you make a small value bet, he might come over the top of you anyway... I'm not going to say that either way is the right way to play, because every hand and opponent is different... |
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DevilfishFan
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| Agreed, but the guy I was originally resopnding to said he specifically put the guy on a busted flush 8) When you play with the same guys enough you have a pretty good idea and can put them on specific hands. |
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junkbutton
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| DevilfishFan wrote: |
| Agreed, but the guy I was originally resopnding to said he specifically put the guy on a busted flush 8) When you play with the same guys enough you have a pretty good idea and can put them on specific hands. |
Easy for you to say... I play with the same people all the time, and I have no idea what they're doing... I should really start paying attention... |
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cypress_98
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| DevilfishFan wrote: |
If you put someone on a busted draw why would you bet? He's gonna call you with 8 high? Not likely. Especially against an aggressive player I would check a lot of hands in that spot and raise or call depending on the situation. |
I definatly recognize that against certain players and in certain situations it may be correct to check when you are positive you have the best hand on the river, I just do not think it occurs very often. If you have been 1st to act and betting and being called down to the river why would you stop betting at that point unless you are sure that the river made your opponets draw. If I was your opponnet and you checked the river after betting the other rounds and I didnt hit my draw I'm not putting a wooden nickel into the pot 95 times out of 100. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| But you're not his opponent cypress. A lot of people can't wait to bet the river when they miss their draws and think they have even the tiniest chance of winning the pot. Besides, even if he's extremely unlikely to bet a missed draw, isn't he even more unlikely to call with one? |
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junkbutton
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Some people will call a small bet with junk "just to get information"...
I guess we're under the assumption that we 'know' that this opponent of ours has missed their draw, but in the case where the guy has got top pair and has decided to himself that he's going to check/call all the way, it's my play to continue betting at the river if I have a big hand. I think that's worth more in the long run than hoping the guy is going to try to steal the pot. Again, it's all situational... |
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cypress_98
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Riddim wrote: |
| But you're not his opponent cypress. A lot of people can't wait to bet the river when they miss their draws and think they have even the tiniest chance of winning the pot. Besides, even if he's extremely unlikely to bet a missed draw, isn't he even more unlikely to call with one? |
I see your point, I guess this would be a situational problem, depending on your reads and knowledge of the opponent |
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