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kccowboy · High Card Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 11

Just wondering what everybody's views are on this. Should loosen up more in earlier positions to try to hit a flop?!?!?!? Or go the reverse and tighten-up your starting hand requirements and only play in even later positions than usual?

IAmTheVietcong · Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:55 am Post subject:

Position actually has less merit.

If you're that low stack (5 times the starting pot (blinds + ante) or less), then you just have to pick any reasonable hand from any position and go all in. Beggars can't be choosers.

KGBlovesOreos · Moderator Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 5319 Location: VA

i agree w/ vietcong... once you're shortstacked, position shouldn't matter because you need to push soon... you cant fold something like KQ from UTG at a full table when you're down to 10 big blinds or less... just go with it, and give yourself a chance to win...

vr6vdubbin · Flush Joined: 17 Dec 2005 Posts: 143

actually according to dan harrington position has alot to do when short stacked. Its a complicated issue but basically depending on the type of players behind you position has alot when pushing with any hand and the first in theory

VLAD1001 · Pair Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 41 Location: Seattle, WA

position is critical in post flop play, and position is very very important in pre-flop BUT LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE IMPLICATIONS OF POST FLOP. Since an all-in move eliminates post flop play (one of the strengths of the move) it also lessens the importance of position preflop (but does not entirely eliminate it--if it folds around to you in the SB even QJo starts to look like a push against one 'average' hand while UTG 10BBs might well just wait for an ace

VLAD1001 · Pair Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 41 Location: Seattle, WA

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8177 Location: Sweden

Harrington actually says something in one of his books about how position becomes less and less important the more short stacked you get. When you're in early position you're closer to being in the blinds. This coupled with the increased chance of having first in vigorish almost makes up for the fact that there are more people left to act.

GxHxOxSxT · Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:37 am Post subject:

One of the great advantages of having pre-flop position when you are short stacked is that you get to see how many people are in the pot before you. If you are desparately short stacked and you know that you need to make a move in the next few hands, wait till you get a few other people in the pot before you and then go all in. You want more people involved initially because you need to pick up a bunch of chips, not just the blinds (hopefully your all in will scare a few of the limpers/callers out of the pot). The advantage is that there are more chips in the pot this way; the disadvantage though is that the more people involved in the hand the more likely it is that you will lose.

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Pokit2s · Message Board Junkie Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 1261

I think if you are really short stacked, the earlier position you are in, the more you should loosen up your starting requirements since you are closer to the blinds. For example, if you are on the button with K5s, and you know your stack isnt big enough to steal the blinds, you might fold. If you are UTG with K5s, this is your last shot before you are the BB, the K5s starts to look a little better.

ThunderCrew · Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject:

i agree with the play agressive and hard when low stacked.

If you are low and blinds are creeping up and antes kicked in.
You cant afford to sit around for that "great hand".

Might need to push with decent hands try to fold out alot or most
maybe even get lucky and fold em all and scrape 2k in blinds antes and
a few pre bets before your push.

but it all depends on other factors too i guess.
Just my opinion on the basic low chip need a move get agressive
or not factor.

DC11GE · Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject:

If I end up with a really good hand and I'm short stacked, I'll stick in a decent raise rather then go all-in. If may induce a couple more callers. I've tripled, even quadrupled up in that situation. I'd go all-in with a marginal, but with a monster, I'm want more callers if I can get 'em. If I'm gonna lose it after the flop, I'd have lost it anyway if I went all-in.

dkgojackets · Straight Flush Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 429

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