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Rivermaynard · High Card Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 3

Full Tilt Poker Game #530723132: Table High Mesa - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Omaha - 1:20:42 ET - 2006/03/29
*** HOLE CARDS ***

I am 1 off the button here
Dealt to Rivermaynard [9s 9d 6c 6d]

UTG calls $0.10
UTG+1 calls $0.10
UTG+2 folds
Rivermaynard calls $0.10
Button calls $0.10
SB calls $0.05
BB checks
*** FLOP *** [Th 8d 7c]

SB bets $0.20
BB raises to $1.20
UTG calls $1.20
UTG+1 folds
Rivermaynard raises to $5.60
Button folds
SB raises to $10.20, and is all in
BB calls $3.35, and is all in
UTH calls $5.60, and is all in
Rivermaynard ??? What should I do considering I have flopped the strait and raised it to only get reraised... I don' t have the nut strait but I do have two of the 9s...

Thanks in advance

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

Not only do you fail to have the nut straight, you have the idiot straight to be exact. You also have zero redraws to improve, and would require runner-runner to boat up. So what do you honestly think you're beating here? 3 people have gone all in. All of them have done so after you've already re-raised. I'm pretty certain that not all of them can have sets here.

In order for it to be a profitable call, you're going to have to win the pot about 1 out of 7 times. There's no way that I can say you're winning this pot that often. The sets out there will fill up or you'll run into straights that tie or beat you way too often.

This is a fold. I like the move to re-raise and find out where you stand, but given all that action back at you and the fact that no one folded, it's fairly safe to say that someone's got you beat way too often.

Rivermaynard · High Card Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 3

Ok thanks for the points there, and I totaly see what you mean about having the idiot strait with 0 outs. t I am just starting to figure out Omaha, and at that level I have found that people would call my intial reraise with just about anything. I most likely shouldn't have even been in the hand, but I did get in cheap. Anyway thanks again.

srblan · High Card Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 7

I don't like a raise here because it achieves nothing but making the pot bigger in a spot where you'd really like to get out as cheaply as possible. You have a backdoor diamond draw which is likely no good. Rather reraising, call, then fold to the SB's inevitable reraise, or call if you get stubborn (not my recommendation).

In PLO, you want to play big pots where you have the nuts or a big draw to the nuts. Occasionally, you will be able to make value bets with less than the nuts based on strong reads, so if you are facing a bet and a raise with the second nuts on the flop, the worst thing you can do is increase the size of the shell that the original bettor can fire back at you.

One of the keys to controlling the play is controlling the pot size, since you probably end up in position in this hand. Allowing the pot to get jammed, you are going to lose any advantage that you would have in position, since players will have so much committed that you will be unable to bluff a scare card. Fold the hand and make a note of any redraws that anyone had when they pushed. If they have none, make a note of it, since you might be able to get into a position against them later where you both have the nuts but you have a freeroll.

idoc · High Card Joined: 29 May 2006 Posts: 2

I would fold with this flop and the re-raise. As said earlier, you have no re-draws and you do not have top str8 to begin with. There are many times when I will flop this hand preflop because you really have no where to go with it. You were only single suited, too. I have learned to hard way to look beyond the flop and into the turn and river.

idoc · High Card Joined: 29 May 2006 Posts: 2

I would fold with this flop and the re-raise. As said earlier, you have no re-draws and you do not have top str8 to begin with. There are many times when I will flop this hand preflop because you really have no where to go with it. You were only single suited, too. I have learned to hard way to look beyond the flop and into the turn and river.

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