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stevechandler
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 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:42 am Post subject: What is a "wrap"? |
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Hello,
New to the forum. I'm reading Lyle Berman's chapter on Omaha in Super System II. He refers many times to hands being a "wrap" or a "wrap with a flush draw". I don't see the term Wrap in the glossary. Can somebody give me a definition? Possibly an example?
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BOYNAMEDSUE
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| It probably means the same as 'pat' or 'made'. |
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jack-actionhero
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| A "wrap" is a draw in which at least three different cards completes your straight. |
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Jaconda78
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| Both of the above are possible uses of the word wrap in omaha, but not the main one. A wrap is your starting hand (not necessarily a draw after the flop) in which your cards are all close together in value (straight cards). The best wrap is 89TJ double suited. 3456 is a wrap, and most would consider a hand like 3457 or even 3458 to still be a wrap. It just means a bunch of straight cards for a starting hand. |
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stevechandler
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: Thanks to everyone! |
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Hello,
Thanks for your answers. I think in context Jaconda78's explanation makes the most sense. |
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GripHoldOn
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Hey Steve, I'm sorry I didn't see this earlier, I could have perhaps helped clear up some confusion... jack-actionhero's definition was the best of the three, in terms of Lyle Berman's chapter in Super System. I'm looking at this very passage right now, and what he means is just a BIG straight draw... better than any straight draw one could have in hold 'em.
Sometimes, having a wrap with a flush draw is better than having the nuts (and the second nuts at the same time):
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RookieB
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| Trying to figure out the odds in that picture makes my brain bleed. |
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srblan
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Wraps are the main reason I enjoy omaha so much. Nothing makes more money than beating someone out of a pot after pushing with a wrap and a flush draw and then telling them that their top set was actually a dog to win. It sends new players (usually NLHE transfers) through the roof because they just can't fathom that the nuts would be an underdog to win (I did this with a guy who flopped the nut straight and was happy when he saw that I had pushed with a set and a flush draw, he was happy because he didn't realize that he was a 60-40 dog). He proceeded to steam of another couple hundo before he got back on track.
Also, i think the odds in the picture improve greatly for top set if you don't have two sets, since you are blocking several of your FH outs that way. |
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dumwaldo
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| Trying to figure out the odds in that picture makes my brain bleed. |
There are 12 cards out so that leaves 40 cards left.
The wrap can catch any of the following cards to make a winning hand...
Ace of diamonds or spades - 2 outs
2 of diamonds or spades - 2 outs
3 of diamonds or spades - 2 outs
Any 4 - 4 outs
Any remaining 6 - 3 outs
Any remaining 7 - 3 outs
Any remaining 9 - 3 outs
Any remaining 10 - 3 outs
Any Queen - 4 outs
That is 26 outs.
40 cards left minus the 26 outs is 14 cards left that will maintain or improve the currently winning hand.
26 vs. 14 is roughly 2 to 1 odds. There is a slight variance from a dead on 2 to 1 so personally I would put the odds more around 63% vs. 37% but I guess it really doesnt matter.
peace,
dumwaldo
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Figure out how to do that in less than 30 seconds and you will be an omaha champ.  |
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