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entilt · Three of a Kind Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Posts: 77

Do you think this was a good laydown? (Don't have the hand history as I didn't think to get it at the time & it's buried in hundreds of hands now). I remember most of the hand but not all of it.

The table had (as is common @ low stakes) seen very few preflop raises and a lot of limping. No real read on opponent.

10/25c game. My cards: 55A3 double suited, $12 in stack.

Preflop:

Two limpers. Villain raises to 75c, I call in BB, rest of table folds. Pot $2.10

Flop: AK5 rainbow.

Villain bets $1.10, I raise the pot ($3.20 to go for villain), villain reraises the pot, putting me practically all-in.

At the time I put the opponent on (most likely) KKxx due to the preflop raise (AAxx also possible but less likely as I hold one ace). Thinking about it later, they could also have had two pair or a pair and a draw (e.g. something like AJTT).

Anyway I laid down the bottom set, thinking I was in a set-over-set situation. Would you have done the same?

keegs22 · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Apr 2008 Posts: 579

I think more times than not you are ahead here and it is much more likely he has AKxx. However, you mentioning very few preflop raises does make a little more concerned we could be already beat. He doesn't have AA here, KK maybe but not nearly as likely as AKxx. I'd get it in on that flop.

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entilt · Three of a Kind Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Posts: 77

junkbutton · Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:37 am Post subject:

I've found in low stakes PLO that aggressive play after the flop pretty much means monster. Against an unknown, I'd say you made a good laydown.

Richard Ashby · High Card Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 2

I think on this occasion you made the wrong decision..
Once you called the pre-flop raise and check raised the flop I think you are now committed to this hand. You have just invested to much of your $12 stack to fold at this stage with such a strong hand.
If you really were convinced the raiser had you beat you could have asked the question and bet out on the flop and then perhaps folded to a re-raise. However you would have to be very confident of your read, (which by the tone of your post is not the case), to make this play.
In general in my experience of online omaha unless there has been no pre flop action and stack sizes are deep it is very difficult to fold even bottom set as too often you will be against top two or a pair and the nut flush draw for example. My advice would be if your likely to get scared off a pot when you flop a set of fives then avoid playing small pairs to a pre flop raise.
Hope this helps and good luck.

Richard Ashby

bottlecapthief · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject:

Lucky_Bub · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject:

OMG... Welcome to the forum, Richard.

And welcome back, JB.

entilt · Three of a Kind Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Posts: 77

xx monster xx · High Card Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

If I had a set of aces or kings on that rainbow flop and I bet and got raised as he did, I would "think" for a bit and then smooth call your reraise. Then I'd "think" again, and finally check the turn hoping to checkraise, and bet the river regardless.

Why does he want to reraise you out of the pot when the only thing he should possibly be scared of is the straight draw which has only 9 outs if you had JQTx (which is unlikely from his perspective).

If he had that set, the only hand that threatens him is JQTx. And against that one hand, he is still a 65% favorite. He wanted you to fold, so maybe you should have called.

Or maybe he read you for a set and wanted your chips and you made a good fold.

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2121

Set mining sucks in PLO. I would definately not set mine 55xx. I don't mind this call at low stakes though since you have a suited ace against straight forward players. But if you are purely planning on the set value of a 55xx hand, then you are making a huge mistake.

In hold'em, you can do this because people will be stacking off on a J94 with two pair, an overpair, top pair, and a draw. In hold'em, the draw is likely to be only around a 35% favorite (unless its some monster OESD flush draw). In PLO, people will not get it in as often with two pair and will rarely ever stack off any overpair/top pair. Also, the draws tend to have a ton more equity. You can easily be up against flush and straight draw combos that are nearly flipping or are a favorite. So your equity against their range is much much worse when you do hit your set. And on a lot of boards where you hit your set, you only flop a drawing hand where there is a flush or straight possible on the board. In these spots, you lose action by all worse hands.

bluestone10 · Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject:

ship it. he's drawing to straight or has top 2. get it in

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