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bizarroquinn · Message Board Junkie Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 1516

To me this is a big blow to PS. It's the only site I play triple draw on and now I'm thinking of quitting. What do you guys think?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-gambling/stars-changing-odds-triple-draw-games-303618/

According to this thread, with confirmation from PokerStars representative Alex Scott, PokerStars has altered their deal in triple draw.

In non-community card games, it�s frequently possible to run out of cards. For instance, if you play an 8-handed stud game, if every player were to see the river it would require 56 cards (plus burn cards). In a 6-handed triple draw game, theoretically speaking each player could consume up to 20 cards each (drawing five cards on each of the three draws), requiring potentially up to 120 cards total (plus burn cards).

Now obviously we�re never likely to see a legitimate hand of triple draw that consumes anywhere near 120 cards. But occasionally more than 52 cards are consumed. In that case, the accepted protocol is to reshuffle the muck and use the discards to complete all the draws.

PokerStars has chosen to alter this protocol slightly. They reshuffle the muck as you would in a brick and mortar game, but they deal out the cards such that no one will receive a card that they have previously discarded. Presumably, before they deal a card to you, they check to make sure you haven�t gotten it already� and if you have, then they deal you the next card.

Quoting Alex Scott:

I can confirm that this is correct. It is not possible to draw a card which you have already discarded at PokerStars, even in Triple Draw.

and

It�s not an error - the decision was made after much discussion and consultation with Team PokerStars (in fact, the original suggestion came from one of the most respected pros on the team). The theory is that no player would want one of their previous discards back, but there is no way to achieve that in a live game. Online, it�s easy, so why not do it?

I have to say, I think this is really quite a bad decision on PokerStars�s part. Here�s why:

1. Online poker is designed as an explicit analog to brick and mortar poker. In other words, by explicitly mimicking the look of a live game (using the same deck, same table look, same deal, same betting structures and rules, even going so far sometimes as to recreate fake dealer boxes), online poker sites are also making implied assurances that the game will behave like a live game as well. In other words, that the cards will be dealt in a random manner and that each card is equally likely.
2. In a live game you could (and would) never deal the cards according to the rules PokerStars now uses for triple draw.
3. Therefore, this rule change betrays the implied assurance that PokerStars accurately simulates live play.

http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/articles/manipulating-the-deck-in-online-poker.html is where this commentary is from.

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bizarroquinn · Message Board Junkie Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 1516

Tiera Starr · Message Board Junkie Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Posts: 1933

I also disagree with this practice. For example, I may discard an 8 or 9 in my first discard round, however, I may be happy to receive that card back on the third draw.

mgodd · Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:03 am Post subject:

I don't know anything about tripledraw, but this seems pretty stupid. I'm pretty sure with any type of poker game, the cards are supposed to be RANDOM?

Xorc1st · Four of a Kind Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 331

I dont like this either.

UFO1947 · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject:

gross, too bad we can't get the pros name. would love to email him or her.

BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject:

I think the cards should be dealt like they would be in a live game, but I don't mind the way they are doing it right now. The respected pro does make a good point. Online card games can do things live games can't, so why not.

I don't see it as anything to worry about.

HuJwang · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject:

I think the way it works now is fine but they need to make sure people know about it.

Igor30 · High Card Joined: 12 Aug 2008 Posts: 8 Location: Serbia

I did play 2-7 lowball Tripledraw on PS two days ago,and all I can say for this: biggest **** of all time!That's rarely stupid game!

YDWard · Three of a Kind Joined: 21 Dec 2007 Posts: 83

And I just love how all the apologists for these scams claim the online deals are random.

These sites alter the deals for other reasons, too. Don't doubt it for a single moment.

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