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BOYNAMEDSUE · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: Good fold?

Full Tilt Poker Game #542597312: Table Riviera - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:37:48 ET - 2006/04/03
Seat 1: BX0101 ($34.65)
Seat 2: DOit24 ($3.10)
Seat 3: buckeightyfree ($9)
Seat 4: Cbass9 ($42.70)
Seat 5: APipeDream ($39.90)
Seat 6: mcrackhouse ($9.95)
Seat 7: rcsprstn ($30.90)
Seat 8: gcptrap ($17.40)
Seat 9: BOYNAMEDSUE ($14.75)
buckeightyfree posts the small blind of $0.10
Cbass9 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BOYNAMEDSUE [Js Jd]
APipeDream folds
mcrackhouse raises to $0.50
rcsprstn calls $0.50
gcptrap folds
BOYNAMEDSUE calls $0.50
BX0101 raises to $1
DOit24 folds
buckeightyfree folds
Cbass9 calls $0.75
mcrackhouse calls $0.50
rcsprstn calls $0.50
BOYNAMEDSUE calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Ts 2s 6c]
Cbass9 checks
mcrackhouse checks
rcsprstn checks
BOYNAMEDSUE checks
BX0101 bets $3
Cbass9 folds
mcrackhouse folds
rcsprstn folds
BOYNAMEDSUE folds
Uncalled bet of $3 returned to BX0101
BX0101 mucks
BX0101 wins the pot ($4.85)
BOYNAMEDSUE: AA?
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.10 | Rake $0.25
Board: [Ts 2s 6c]
Seat 1: BX0101 collected ($4.85), mucked
Seat 2: DOit24 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: buckeightyfree (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Cbass9 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: APipeDream didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: mcrackhouse folded on the Flop
Seat 7: rcsprstn folded on the Flop
Seat 8: gcptrap didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: BOYNAMEDSUE folded on the Flop

Moshiach · Message Board Junkie Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 2259

I would have reraised preflop with your hand, and he coulda had anything, AT, TT, AK, if he had AA or KK i dunno why he'd bet so strong into such a dry flop.

Bronco232 · Full House Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 197

I think you played this hand extremely tight. At no point did you represent a real hand at all, which is why I still voted fold. A re-raise pre flop could be argued, although I don't mind the call as I don't like to get too carried away with JJ in a cash game. A call here is what I tend to do as well. However, I definately would have bet the flop, and bet it pretty strongly. If you get played back at you can be more confident that you have run into a higher pair. The problem with checking is the flop better could have a range of hands, many which you could have beat, but you're not really sure what he has.

mathman1115 · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject:

My problem here is you played your JJ like a low pocket pair, ready to fold it unless you hit the set. You should have raised preflop to see where you were in the hand. I think your read on the hand was right, the early limper probably had a higher PP. I love at those levels how players do that, raise the min with premuim hands looking for action. But even so the best way to get info is to use your chips.

GripHoldOn · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject:

I love how you played this hand BOYNAMEDSUE. The raiser could have been sitting on AT, but I too feel that he was quite strong. I think you were up against a higher overpair. When you make a play like this, you know you could be folding the best hand, but this is okay. People hate to fold hands that could beat a hand that an opponent would value bet (and in this case, the raiser could have been value-betting AT, and you can beat that of course). There's also a chance he's making a bezerko bluff with AK, but if he is bluffing, you're only going to win what's in there right now, but if he does have you beat, you're going to lose everything.

Some players are on the right track, and instead of raising here because they think they have an unbeatable hand, they merely call because they FEAR the higher overpair. Doing this though, makes folding much tougher later in the hand, and right now, you've only put .75 into this pot. You could be wrong, but it's okay to fold the best hand, especially in a pot into which you've only invested 3 BB. Great fold.

COMRAD · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject:

I also thought your opponent might of had A-10,but either way he had position and was able to put some pressure on you to fold.I think if box101 had AA he woulda came further over the top pre-flop,I would not be suprised if the guy had two spades(A-q)and was putting in a semi-bluff to thin the field or possibly take the pot.Either way,like grip said you had a minimal amount of chips in the pot with a marginal hand.I think you made the right play boysue.

If you woulda called he woulda had pocket 6's but since you folded he had a flush draw.(j/k)

Kloaked Spirit · Royal Flush Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 869

Raise this pre-flop. In fact, depending on the table image of the other guy, I would've re-raised just to see where I stand since JJ is a tricky hand to play with. At least then you'd be more clear as to if you're dealing with overcards or an overpair.

Given the situation, I'd be forced to bet this, or since you checked, raise this when it gets back to you. I have TPTK beat, but I need to know if he really has a hand, or was just c-betting half the pot as is standard for most pre-flop raisers.

emoney_33 · Full House Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 199

Personally I think your play was pretty bad here. You don't want a ton of people in the pot unless you are playing small pocket pair or suited connectors. You called a raise to 2BB then a reraise to 4BB preflop. First of all you should have reraised preflop. And then after the flop you have an overpair with a flush draw possibility on the board and you just check it. Then the guy in position bets after it's checked to him so you have absolutely no information on what he's holding. And there's what at least 5 bux in the pot and he bet 3 bux. You have to raise here with that overpair. YOu just assume that because he reraised preflop he has QQ, KK or AA.

A lousy preflop play can make playing after the flop a lot more difficult. You will be losing out on a lot of money if you are gonna fold overpairs so easily.

Love2HoldNutz · Two Pair Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 61

you need to be more concerned with how badly you played this hand preflop than what u should have done after the flop. Horrible to let anyone see the flop for just 2XBB with jacks. Just asking to get beat.

Mike Daciuk

You deffinalty should have re raise on the flop to see where u stand. ther was really nothign out there on the board u shoudl have been scared of. Maybe evern shoudl have re raise preflop as well. And you deffinaly need to be a little more confident with your hand or you are going to keep getting betted out of the hands when u most likely have the winner. Good LUck !! hope this helped u out a lil bit

Mikelib · Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:02 am Post subject:

Obviously the play would differ depending on the table image of the players but I would have re-raised preflop as said above, to see where I was and if i got only a call I would put in a pot size bet when the flop fell, as there was no overcard to scare me and unless someone had a higher pocket pair i would assume I am most likely the favorite.I would play it this way hoping for the rest of the players to fold and to stop them attaining the possible over card(s) the have in the hole.

Guest · Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject:

personaly i dont think he had u beat at all. u should have re raised preflop first of all. then if he really did have a good hand u might have been able to tell that way. also if he has aa kk or qq he wouldnt have beat the flop so hard nothing out there should have scared him. i really think that u were ahead in the hand so i think u folded the winning hand for sure. u have to havve more confidence in your hands when u play

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