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NobAzn · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:13 am Post subject: Critique this B&M hand

Yesterday, playing a 1-3NL game. I'm on right of the dealer button with about $85, 5 players limp in and I look down at 77 so I raise it to $12, dealers calls, SB calls then BB raises to $27, then the surprising thing is all but one limper called so, it is $15 more chips for me to call, and I assume everyone has each others outs so I push all in and get 4 callers.
Flop comes 7 high no paint, no flush or straight possible and I take down a $350+ pot excluding tip, rake, badbeat jackpot.

So my question is was it right for me to assume that everyone had each others outs? and would you have pushed all in to try to isolate a player? or was I a donk and just gotten lucky Laughing

deadmoney314 · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:23 am Post subject: nl

If you have the bankroll I like your play. A lot of the time its an isolation steal in my experience, which is what you were thinking--high cards. If that's the case, you have +++++money in the pot for your coinflip if it becomes heads up. If everyone is duplicating cards, then definately its a play that will lose more than 50% of the time, but the $$ won each time you win more than covers the losses. As soon as there is a pocket pair higher than yours in the mix though, you are toast in the long run.

refugee · Pair Joined: 16 Jan 2006 Posts: 38

what did the bb reraise with?

junkbutton · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:59 am Post subject: Re:

NobAzn · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject:

BB had aces, one of the limpers had queens but the rest of the table told me they had ace jack, ace queen, one guy didn't tell me Crying or Very sad

When I saw this, I thought to myself "man, I played this hand bad and got lucky"

junkbutton · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: Re:

refugee · Pair Joined: 16 Jan 2006 Posts: 38

I actually don't mind the all-in play. It seems that you were committed to this hand regardless, and after a call you would have $58 left with a sizable pot in front of you, almost forcing an all in anyways. The only question for me would be, how big is the pot in front of me compared to my stack? If the implied odds made it worthwhile, I'd push; if not, call.

NobAzn · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject:

This was actually a bad play because $58 is not short stacked in a 1-3nl game. I had more then enough chips but I wanted to isolate to go for a heads up situation, I raised with them because I was in late position, and went all in because I didn't think 77 will hold up against 4+ players.

aztecgator · Two Pair Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 70

I think your play was risky and you got lucky. The BB has seen 5 limpers plus a raiser (you) and STILL reraises the pot. I don't know what kind of player he is, but that normally indicates a very strong hand (AA, KK, QQ or AK). I know you were trying to isolate him with your all in reraise, but for that to work a number of things have to fall into place (1) the other players have to fold, (2) he has to have AK (or, in general, two over cards) and (3) (although not necessary but nice) if he just has over cards many or all of his outs are in the muck. The first assumption might have been reasonable, but the latter two are simply too risky to make.

If he has a high pocket pair he doesn't need any outs against you. I think calling his raise (especially after others called ahead of you) and seeing the flop is the more prudent strategy. If a 7 flops, you are all in and will take down a nice pot; if a 7 does not hit, you can fold. The point is, you will have not risked your entire stack on either very risky assumptions or a 2 out draw.

NobAzn · Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject:

read again, I did not limp I was a first raiser, and gotten reraise by the BB. I went all in because I wanted to go HU because 77 usually does not hold up against a lot of players.

AmplifiedSAE · Two Pair Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 67

To be honest, I think this was a HORRIBLE play that you got away with.

#1 There was a re-raise, and a call already in front of you. You need to have the goods when this happens.

#2 You're risking your whole stack pre-flop in a cash game w/ a small PP. I'd just wait for another hand. (This isn't a tournament situation)

#3 At best you were in a coin flip situation. No one will re-raise with something like suited-conectors or a pair smaller than 7's. Moreover, someone wouldn't call a re-raise with those hands.

#4 At worst you were beat by a higher pair and are facing a 2 outter situation.

So, I would have probably folded. You got lucky, so it worked out, but I wouldn't do that again.

NobAzn · Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: Critique this B&M hand

Guest · Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject:

I didn't say you limped... read my first post

...The BB has seen 5 limpers plus a raiser (you) and STILL reraises the pot...

I still stand by what I said in my earlier post.

Methebee · Guest

I wouldn't raise pre-flop. No real point to it.

NobAzn · Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: Re:

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