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| Issue 6 |
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81% |
[ 9 ] |
| No |
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18% |
[ 2 ] |
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| Total Votes : 11 |
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supfool123
Message Board Junkie
Joined: 19 Dec 2005
Posts: 2008
Location: Bang'n Your Mom
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 Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| feihua wrote: |
| supfool123 wrote: |
| feihua wrote: |
We were waiting, sup.
The only info I had was Ohio Issue 6. |
You lost me, which isn't hard to do, but what were you waiting for?
Thanks,
supfool123 |
A link.
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| I would post a link, but this is from my phone. |
You're welcome,
feihua |
| supfool123 wrote: |
Thanks for the heads up juggs, I had not seen anything about that yet. I shall keep a watch for more and if anyone sees slash hears anymore can you please post it here.
Also, here is a link about Issue 6.....
http://www.yesonissue6.com/index.asp
Thanks,
supfool123 |
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dezlwezl
Full House
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
Posts: 151
Location: At Large
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Would be nice for me; that location is only a 15 min. drive! |
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dl_m0nk
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Joined: 04 Dec 2007
Posts: 139
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| As much as I would love to have a casino in-state, create more jobs here and thus more money for everyone, for right now I'm going to have to vote no. If you've been following the UB scandal Lyle was one of the guys implicated in that mess (money laundering allegedly or something). Can we really trust him that he wouldn't create a loophole to let a tribe open a casino here? The issue 6 backers admitted to a problem with the wording and are trying to fix it....yeah right, they are trying to fix it so its not so obvious. I'll wait till a bigger casino corporation like Harrahs comes to town then I might vote yes. For now I'll go to Argosy or Wheeling Island once or twice a year with my measly BR and if I ever run good for once (HA!) I'll take my winnings and spend it in mom N pop shops whenever I can. I know its an exciting thing to have our own casino but we just can't accept the first offer that is thrown at us. You wanna keep your gambling money in Ohio, play in a home game or in a charity poker tourney. I might get slapped on the back of the head for this but I don't feel right about issue 6. |
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dl_m0nk
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Joined: 04 Dec 2007
Posts: 139
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:21 am Post subject: |
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If none of you have taken the time to read the whole amendment, here it is: http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/upload/ballotboard/Casinoinitiative2007.pdf
Some of the big points of it is that it authorizes "...no more than one privately owned Ohio casino...".
Later on it states that if any more casinos open for business then the Wilmington casino must pay the same rate of taxes as the newer casino. If only one casino is authorized to operate then why should they have a section with rules on paying taxes the same as other casinos? This is what people are fearing right now. It's almost like they're leaving the door open for another casino to open....maybe an Indian casino. On the other hand Ohio has no federally owned lands by Indians and when any Indian tribe has tried to claim land in Ohio they've been shot down.
I don't like this language either way. Lets say the Wilmington casino is paying 30% taxes then another casino comes in and is only paying 15% to 20% taxes. So Ohio collects total taxes of 30% to 40% from the two casinos instead of 45% to 50% taxes if both casinos just keep their starting tax rates. This could add up to MILLIONS taken away from Ohio to build maintain streets, schools, infrastructure each year. Chances are if another casino does open then it might be in 4-5 years and if things start looking janky the Ohio people will be intelligent enough not patronize the casino anymore. Mr. Berman, we will pay you for entertainment but we refuse to let you steal millions in tax dollars from Ohio.
Another part I didn't like was section C part 2 where it says, "No fee shall be charged for applying for or for renewing a casino liscense". Wait, so you aren't willing to pay to renew your liscense Mr. Berman? Don't we all have to pay to renew our driving ,fishing, hunting, liquor, etc. liscenses? Oh, so a casino is so special that Mr. Berman thinks he is exempt from what all of us have to do. Come on, he's going to make so much money off this casino I'm sure he can throw in a few thousand to renew a casino liscense every year.
What I did like was in section B where it states 1% of money made goes to gambling addiction programs and treatment. Very nice of you Mr. Berman. Also 10% will be given to the county the casino will be located in (Clinton County), while the remaining 90% will be distributed on a per capita basis to all 88 counties. Section D is a big one. It states that a gaming comission will be established and the members will be appointed by the Governor, with advice from the senate. If the comission was going to be appointed by Mr. Berman then that would've been the deal breaker for me. I want an unbiased comission looking out for the interests of Ohio and not Lyle's pockets.
After reading this, I'm still leaning toward no. It's like Mr. Berman is trying to leave a door open to make as much profit as possible. I would feel better if the amendment said that it will pay a certain percentage each year with no question, no fluctuations instead of saying "...up to 30%...". I'll be nice and say the percentage can be adjusted once each year when he applies for a new casino liscense (that he pays for). He must stand in front of the Governor and a comittee present all accounting records and explain why he should pay less taxes according to how poorly the casino might be doing. If the the casino is making record profits each year then I don't see why the taxes shouldn't stay at 30% or reasonably increase. I said it in my last post and I'll say it again, theres always home games and charity tournaments going on here. I've even got word there one or two secret players clubs in Columbus with no rake. Yeah, it'd be nice for 5000 jobs to be created but overall this amendment probably isn't worth it. |
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missjugsalot
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Joined: 31 Oct 2006
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Location: Land of the free, because of the brave
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| I voted no, fk Lyle Berman. If the Indian thing wont ever happen than why did they write it in? Also, if he gets this one, you can expect he will spend truckloads of money to fight anyone else getting a casino in the state. I think this is a bad deal, with questionable language purposely written in. I can got to 3 other casinos out of state in a shorter time than it would take me to get to this one. |
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dl_m0nk
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Joined: 04 Dec 2007
Posts: 139
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| I voted no, fk Lyle Berman. If the Indian thing wont ever happen than why did they write it in? Also, if he gets this one, you can expect he will spend truckloads of money to fight anyone else getting a casino in the state. I think this is a bad deal, with questionable language purposely written in. I can got to 3 other casinos out of state in a shorter time than it would take me to get to this one. |
Smart thinking jugs. They didn't specifically say that an Indian casino can come in to operate. It says that any casino, Indian or not, can come in and Lyle will be allowed to pay less taxes if the other pays less taxes. I want to believe an Indian tribe would never be able to get land and open a casino but anything is possible I guess. After all, before 9/11 they said they couldn't have a war in Iraq. I'm e-mailing the link to my buddy hoping he'll see the light. He's voting yes just because he wants to be on the road one hour less. He's pretty sensible and I hope he sees this is like chasing an OESD for half his stack. |
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kcstoltz
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Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Posts: 621
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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in minnesota the tribes change lands with farmers and the land the indians come up owning is tribal land offlimits to state and local goverment
we have between 5-7 casionos here 1 has a 500 doller slot |
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dl_m0nk
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Joined: 04 Dec 2007
Posts: 139
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| kcstoltz wrote: |
in minnesota the tribes change lands with farmers and the land the indians come up owning is tribal land offlimits to state and local goverment
we have between 5-7 casionos here 1 has a 500 doller slot |
see? We still have farm lands here in Ohio. What stops an Indian tribe coming in and making a farmer an offer he can't refuse? Hopefully, the state government steps in saying "woah woah you gotta ask permission first to have federal land and possibly a casino". Lyle is from Minnesota, right? and I'm sure he's made a few friends among the casinos there being a well known poker player with tons of money. |
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pebbleboy
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Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Posts: 757
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Its faling but its still early
Issue 6 - Clinton Casino
8% OF PRECINCTS REPORTING
> No 731,586 60%
Yes 477,990 40% |
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dl_m0nk
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Joined: 04 Dec 2007
Posts: 139
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| pebbleboy wrote: |
Its faling but its still early
Issue 6 - Clinton Casino
8% OF PRECINCTS REPORTING
> No 731,586 60%
Yes 477,990 40% |
It's pretty much a done deal. Back to the ol' drawing board Berman.
Issue - 6-Clinton Casino
82.9% of 11,156 precincts reporting Vote Counts Votes Cast
No 2,742,145 63.0%
Yes 1,612,951 37.0% |
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