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Saint Cad
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| JJDean wrote: |
What about pairs? How are they computed?
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Pairs are bad.
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| If FT got JEN TILLY to play RAZZ fer 'em on the TV |
OK. Her pair is nice 
Think of poker hands in reverse, you try to make your worst hand, two-pair beats a full house, lowest high card (or kicker) wins, etc.
So with 2-5-2-T-A-7-T, you would play T-6-5-2-A to make a ten high. Some hands can't help but make a pair like 3-7-8-7-8-Q-3. You hand would be 3-3-Q-8-7 (Notice I used my lowest pair).
I have seen a pair only win once (3 pair against quads). Needless to say it was a very small pot.
| JJDean wrote: |
| AA77799 is read how? |
Razz Hand Reading 101
Aces are low
You want to use as many different ranks as possible (straights and flushes don't hurt you). On most hands there are at least 5 different ranks so you'd pick the 5 lowest.
In this case there are 3 ranks so my hand will have 9-7-A
Clearly I would prefer 2 pair to 3 of a kind. The obvious answer is to use my 2 bottom pair (7s and As). But is it possible to make a hand with only one pair? Using the pigeonhole principle, the answer is no.
Therefore your Razz hand would be 9-7-7-A-A (2 pair)
Will it win? No! |
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JJDean
High Card
Joined: 22 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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So any hand with a pair is a loser to a hand without a pair? ok i get that now.
However im not clear on the "tie breakers"
ie. A2566QK vs A2799JK.
Are the hands read as A25QK66 or A2566QK and A27JK99 or A2799JK with the last 2 cards thrown out? Which hand wins?
Thanks for your reply. Cheers! |
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jbrennen
Straight Flush
Joined: 16 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| JJDean wrote: |
However im not clear on the "tie breakers"
ie. A2566QK vs A2799JK.
Are the hands read as A25QK66 or A2566QK and A27JK99 or A2799JK with the last 2 cards thrown out? Which hand wins?
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To find the best five card razz hand from a seven card combination, there's a straightforward method to do it. You arrange the cards like this:
- (first cards of each rank, from low to high)
- (second cards of each rank, from low to high)
- (third cards of each rank, from low to high)
- (fourth cards of each rank, from low to high)
Then take the first 5 cards from this list in order.
So for the first hand you gave:
- A 2 5 6 Q K
- 6
Giving a Razz hand of A-2-5-6-Q.
And for the second hand you gave:
- A 2 7 9 J K
- 9
Giving a Razz hand of A-2-7-9-J.
So the second hand wins, because a Jack high beats a Queen high.
The worst hand in Razz is either KKKQQQQ or KKKKQQQ, which gives:
- Q K
- Q K
- Q K
- Q or K (doesn't matter)
Giving the absolute worst possible Razz hand of Q-K-Q-K-Q, a full house of Queens full of Kings. In real life, you'll never ever see this hand happen, because the player would have folded a long time ago. 
I did go to showdown recently with a hand of two pair, but only because there was no betting beyond 4th street. It went something like this for me:
(6-A)-5 (I bet, I'm called)
(6-A)-5-A (I bet, I'm called)
(6-A)-5-A-6 (I check, my opponent checks)
(6-A)-5-A-6-5 (I check, my opponent checks)
(6-A)-5-A-6-5-(5) (I check, my opponent checks)
So I ended up with a hand like this:
- A 5 6
- A 5 6
- 5
For a final hand of A-5-6-A-5, two pair, Fives over Aces. And yes, I lost. |
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Ozenrishi
High Card
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
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Location: Albuquerque, NM
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:51 am Post subject: your hands |
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you said;
(6-A)-5-A-6-5 (I check, my opponent checks)
(6-A)-5-A-6-5-(5) (I check, my opponent checks)
Your hand is actually 6-6-5-5-5-A and that's VERY bad for Razz. You don't want pairs or trips. You need low cards without matching;
6-4-3-2-A would be a winner. (of course, the NUT is 5-4-3-2-A)
I had a starting hand of 3-2-A and then drew another A, then 2, then 3
that's nothing. Just a series of pairs that can't win.
I love Razz, but even a great starting hand can quickly go sour. |
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black_heart84
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| Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| thanks for all the info! i think i understand it a lot better! |
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supfool123
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| i tried this game once i figured since i can't win at holdem because i always have the worst hand and that is the point of razz that i would be good at it. well guess what it did not work and i always have the best hand. i found out that i suck at trying to have the best hand and i suck at trying to have the worst hand. so the equation is supfool123 + best hand = fish and supfool123 + worst hand = donkey. so fish = donkey = supfool123. the square root of that goes into a math that i cant even comprehend. |
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duelindalton
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| someone said its like stud low, but there is a difference. All cards count in razz where as in a hi/lo game only A-8 count. |
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deadmoney314
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| JJDean wrote: |
What about pairs? How are they computed?
AA77799 is read how? AA777? Can that beat anything? |
I don't play much but I think that would actually be
9977A (two-pair)
You would beat
AA88899 --> 9988A and any hand above that.
A better question is, "what is triple-draw" (lo) |
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jbrennen
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: |
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| deadmoney314 wrote: |
| JJDean wrote: |
What about pairs? How are they computed?
AA77799 is read how? AA777? Can that beat anything? |
I don't play much but I think that would actually be
9977A (two-pair)
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Actually, if you have AA77799, your best 5-card Razz hand would be 77AA9, sevens and Aces -- Aces always play low in Razz.
And what would that beat? Well, since you have three of the four sevens, nobody else can have a pair of 7s, so your second pair and your kicker won't come into play. The worst hand that beats you is 6655K, and the best hand that you can beat is 88AA2. |
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deadmoney314
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject: ... |
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thx for the info, now I know why I don't play HORSE  |
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hellsditch
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| so lowest card wins? like A5678 beats 23456? or is it the most low cards or what? the FTP description doesnt really say |
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Joe_King
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the lowest card does not win its the best 5 low cards out of the 7 you get delt. So A 4 5 6 7 is beaten by 2 3 4 5 6 as the 6 is lower than the 7.
In tied hands like 2 3 4 6 7 vs 2 3 4 5 7 they both have a 7 low the 2nd hand wins as the next card down from the 7 is lower.
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hellsditch
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| Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Joe_King wrote: |
the lowest card does not win its the best 5 low cards out of the 7 you get delt. So A 4 5 6 7 is beaten by 2 3 4 5 6 as the 6 is lower than the 7.
In tied hands like 2 3 4 6 7 vs 2 3 4 5 7 they both have a 7 low the 2nd had wins as the next card down from the 7 is lower. |
thank you for clearing that up |
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