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matt2411 Royal Flush
Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 559
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: Another post on why people who slowplay are dumb *a good laugh inside* |
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A hand from last night... at 1/2
no HH but description below (At work atm)
Im in the SB with 8d5d. UTG limps. 3 other limpers.
gets to me, i complete the blind (getting 11-1 odds preflop right now, BB + 4 limpers + my 1/2 SB) -- Pot is now $12.
flop comes 4h 6c Js
ive got a gutshot right now. I check, BB checks, UTG minraises to $2, all limpers call, Im now getting 10-1 ($2 call to win a $20 pot) on my money to see the next card on a gutshot draw which is 10-1 to hit, i like the odds. BB calls also. Pot is now $24.
Turn. 7d. WOOT MONEY, spiked my gutshot.
Not going to play games I just bet it out, about 3/4 of the pot ($15). UTG reraised to $45.
I re-read the board, did i fk up? I look at board yet again... do i have the nuts?? yes... i do...
Sweet. SO i think for a minute, do i want to reraise or just call. I look at him and his stack, and i see he is pot committed. he only has $30 left, pot is big, if i put him all in here he has to call.
I put him all in, he instacalls.
He flips over Aces, im laughing my ass off as he puts all of his money in completely dead. yay he wasted his whole stack of about 80 bucks (only bb but still...) because he limped preflop, and minraised on the flop... he could have avoided this whole situation had he bet even $6 or $7. Im not calling a 1/2 pot bet with a gutshot... no way.
i love it. 3rd time this week ive busted AA with rags in the SB or BB because they didn;t raise preflop or on the flop, and ended up catching 2 pair or hitting a gutshot.
moral to this story...if you can draw for cheap and get the correct, or nearly correct odds... do it you never know what some donkey is holding
2nd moral to this story... dont slowplay and limp with aces unless you are prepared to lay it down, with heavy resistance. |
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Bronco232 Full House
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 197
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: ... |
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There are still players like that @ the 1/2 game? Good to know  |
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Lepoppet Straight Flush
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 359
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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There are still players like that @ the 1/2 game? Good to know  |
OH YEAH...BIG TIME!!!!
I'm at the Paris Casino in Las Vegas yesturday morning. UTG limps with KK. 7 others limp into the pot as do I in the BB with K9o. Flop come 10-8-J. Cowboy-man slowplays his KK by checking the flop, everyone else checks. Turn comes Q. He bets 1/2 pot, everyone else folds, I re-raise and he pushes all-in. I call. He throws his KK onto the felt and I calmly turn over my straight and take him down for $300. I'm so glad an A didn't come on the river but with that many people in the hand pre-flop, I'm thinking 2 of them probably had an A giving him only a 2-outer.
Live cash games here in Vegas at the $1/2 level seem to be limping games. Everyone either limps into the pot or calls up to 3xBB preflop raises. It's the "I just want to see the flop" mentality. Very profitable if your willing to bet big after the flop. |
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Bronco232 Full House
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 197
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:42 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Bronco232 wrote: |
There are still players like that @ the 1/2 game? Good to know  |
OH YEAH...BIG TIME!!!!
I'm at the Paris Casino in Las Vegas yesturday morning. UTG limps with KK. 7 others limp into the pot as do I in the BB with K9o. Flop come 10-8-J. Cowboy-man slowplays his KK by checking the flop, everyone else checks. Turn comes Q. He bets 1/2 pot, everyone else folds, I re-raise and he pushes all-in. I call. He throws his KK onto the felt and I calmly turn over my straight and take him down for $300. I'm so glad an A didn't come on the river but with that many people in the hand pre-flop, I'm thinking 2 of them probably had an A giving him only a 2-outer.
Live cash games here in Vegas at the $1/2 level seem to be limping games. Everyone either limps into the pot or calls up to 3xBB preflop raises. It's the "I just want to see the flop" mentality. Very profitable if your willing to bet big after the flop. |
I was referring more to online play. Sure there are "tourists" or real novices who may want to give poker a try when they visit because they saw it on tv, but they're not the types of people who would deposit money into an online site. Generally, if you deposit into a site like FT, you're at least semi-serious about the game, or I would hope so .
Your opinions on live play do hit home though, and if you wouldn't mind I would like to pick your brain a bit. I live in Southwest Michigan and occasionally make the trip to Detroit to Greektown, the casino over there. The blinds are $1/$2, with a max buy in of $100 bucks. In the few times I've went, I find that its either a table of all limpers, as you say, or the standard raise ranges from $10 to $15 dollars!! I obviously find this crazy, as when I would first sit down and pick up AA or AK in early position, my raise to $7 would get 6 callers!!!
I also found this to be the case in my lone trip to Vegas, when I graduated college in Apr '04. Someone in mid position would open the pot for 12 dollars, which seems kinda crazy.
Anyways, all that babble leads me to my point. I'm going to Vegas again July 22nd thru the 26th. My little brother happens to be one of the better high school basketball players in our part of the state, and is traveling with his AAU team to participate in the huge Reebok tournament going on during that time. I want to be a little more prepared for it this time, any advice on how you play these tables? The table full of limpers, or where the standard raise is 6 to 8 times the BB? |
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dose160 Pair
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 26 Location: Nunya Bidness
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Well I've been in a similar situation in a casino near my home. It's action city. 1/2 blinds, but you have to pay 4 to play. Sometimes a preflop raise will be 20, which for a max $100 buy in is absurd. It makes picking hands all the more important. AA and KK must be pressed hard. AK I will play much more cautiously at an action table. That's a hand just asking for trouble, but you need to get value out of your cards, so if you gotta raise 15-20, then do it, but when the flop comes be careful. The problem with these hands is that once two people call a 15-20 dollar raise, everyone else at the table starts feeling pot odds are more and more in their favor, which they probably are. 20 to win 160 or 20 to win 120 aren't bad odds, even if they are an 8 to 1 dog with 6 to 1 odds to call. AA vs. Ac2c has AA a 7.62 to 1 favorite and AA vs. 72 suited has AA a 5 to 1 favorite, so basically if its gonna take a 20 dollar raise for people to lay down their hands, then that's what you gotta raise. I try to avoid low pockets at these tables as well, unless I can get in for a cheap flop. AA vs 22 has 22 at only a 4.47 to 1 dog, so if I'm getting good odds I might call the flop as well, just depends. I'll try to keep my hands at AA-99, AKs, AKo, AQs, AQo, KQs, KQo. KQ is a maybe as well as AQ. These must be played cautiously as well unless you get that right piece of the flop.
Lastly look at the size of the stacks of your opponents. At these kind of loose tables, big stacks who may have donked their way to the top, will call you more often with A-rag, Suited connectors, and maybe anything suited. Watch the table for awhile and get a feel of what you need to do. If you get a big hand like AA, maybe push it all in. Let them know you aren't their to mess around. If they get a bad beat on you then it happens, that's poker. That's all I can think of for now hope this helps. late.
Mo skazy |
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matt2411 Royal Flush
Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 559
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Lepoppet Straight Flush
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 359
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Bronco,
Dose160 makes some very good points. I LOVE playing a 1/2 table with lots of action. You pay very little in your blinds but when you finally have a hand, the table will play like a 2/5. You have to be mentally ready to push all-in, and re-buy as needed. $100.00 is enough to play 1 solid hand in cases like this and I'm fully prepared to push all-in if I have a good hand. I also will re-buy when I'm down to $50 to get my stack back up to max. It's a hassle but if you hit, the pay-off is awesome. In a lot of cases all it takes is TPTK or top two pair. A set is golden! Especially with the chasers going for their draws. Yes they catch, occationally. But they ususally lose everything they made after a while. It's so funny to watch some guy grow his $100 stack to $600 then lose it all within 3 hours.
1. Sit tight and wait for the cards.
2. Fit-or-Fold after the flop. NEVER TRY TO BLUFF.
3. Bet your hands when you have the best of it and keep firing at the pot.
4. If you get a suck-out...no worries. Re-buy and start again. These types of table reward patience and aggression when you have a hand. It doesn't take much.
Check out www.allvegaspoker.com for room reviews. If you want a tighter game, you can always find them. But I make most of my money at the loose tables. I'll take them anyday over the tight-no-action tables. |
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Bronco232 Full House
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 197
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: Thanks! |
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Thanks a ton for the info. I'll probably re-visit this topic once my departure date inches nearer, but for now I do have an idea of what to expect and the strategies I can practice leading up to my trip.
Thanks again! |
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