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skj1311 · High Card Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 8

Any advice on how to play this better, maybe check on the river ? If I check do I still call with a full after hitting nut flush on the turn Question

Full Tilt Poker Game #7810857718: Table Fernley (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - $4 Cap Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 15:50:20 ET - 2008/08/26
Seat 1: skj1311 ($4.70)
Seat 2: harleyman04 ($8.20)
Seat 3: Seven Soprano ($8.35)
Seat 4: pure50player ($6.65)
Seat 5: Dancinghigh ($15.50)
Seat 6: Kreuzberg78 ($12.45)
Seven Soprano posts the small blind of $0.05
pure50player posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to skj1311 [3c Ac 6h 4d]
Dancinghigh calls $0.10
Kreuzberg78 calls $0.10
skj1311 calls $0.10
harleyman04 calls $0.10
Seven Soprano calls $0.05
pure50player checks
*** FLOP *** [8c 9c As]
Seven Soprano checks
pure50player checks
Dancinghigh checks
Kreuzberg78 checks
skj1311 bets $0.30
harleyman04 calls $0.30
Seven Soprano folds
pure50player folds
Dancinghigh folds
Kreuzberg78 calls $0.30
*** TURN *** [8c 9c As] [4c]
Kreuzberg78 checks
skj1311 bets $1.50
harleyman04 calls $1.50
Kreuzberg78 folds
*** RIVER *** [8c 9c As 4c] [4h]
skj1311 bets $2.10, and is capped
harleyman04 calls $2.10, and is capped
*** SHOW DOWN ***
skj1311 shows [3c Ac 6h 4d] a full house, Fours full of Aces
harleyman04 shows [Ah 8s 6d 8d] a full house, Eights full of Fours
harleyman04 wins the pot ($7.85) with a full house, Eights full of Fours
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.70 | Rake $0.85
Board: [8c 9c As 4c 4h]
Seat 1: skj1311 showed [3c Ac 6h 4d] and lost with a full house, Fours full of Aces
Seat 2: harleyman04 (button) showed [Ah 8s 6d 8d] and won ($7.85) with a full house, Eights full of Fours
Seat 3: Seven Soprano (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: pure50player (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Dancinghigh folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Kreuzberg78 folded on the Turn

francois8 · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject:

I wouldn't call it a suckout exactly. He probably thought that any pairing of the board would win the pot for him (10 outs of unknown cards). As it stood: he had 7 outs- the last ace, any of the 3 9's, the last 8, or one of the last 2 4's. You of course needed one of the other 33 cards in the deck to come out on the river. So you'll win about 9 times for every 2 times that you lose after the turn, when you find yourself in this situation.

Since you had the nut flush, anything that pairs the board is a bad river card for you. I think the distinction between cap and no cap is important for this hand.

Since it was a pot limit game and you had the "underfull" full house, I'm think your decision to bet the river is much better than a check/call. A check/fold is certainly an option though. Since its cap, I'd rather take the lead then checking and calling if he bets. This way you would get paid if he had 84, 94 or 894 perhaps.

Conversely, if it was a non-capped game and you both had deeper stacks, I think your decision to bet the river would be incorrect. The pot is about $4 or so, if you bet then you would allow your opponent to raise you a larger amount that you could not call. Since you have a full house that has some chance of being best, you would like to show the hand down as cheaply as possible.

This is a situation where if you have reads on your opponent's tendencies they are very helpful. Against a very conservative player, or a nut peddler, check and folding becomes more and more attractive of an option.

bottlecapthief · Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject:

This is a pretty marginal hand. You can make a couple straights, but you NEED a 5 to make any of your straights. Without this one card, ALL the straights you could make are no more. You can make one flush, and it is the nut flush, so I guess that is good. Hitting one pair of Aces is going to be miserable for you because you will be having some serious kicker issues. I would definately dump this hand preflop.

As played, the flop was almost as good of a flop you can hope for. You still have kicker issues but the flush redraw makes up for that. On the turn, this is obviously a beautiful card. Completes our flush, so we know we are ahead. It also gives us chances to improve our hand to a full house. It also limits the amount of outs the villain has if he has a set. An A would give us a bigger boat, and there are only two 4's left for him to hit. It is for these reasons that I might bet a little less to get him to call. This is probably a moot point since its CAP and it will prob go to $4 anyway (I dont know if this is true, I tend to avoid cap games, but I think it might be)

On the river, I think either play is probably acceptable. If you put your opponent on range, its very logical that he has a middle set or a K or Q high flush. Because it is a cap game however, I think it would be a bad play to fold on the river, as you can only lose another $2.10 and there is decent chance you are ahead. A check wouldnt be too bad, because a K or Q high flush might not call if you bet, since they are behind a better flush, and any boat. He might try to steal the pot if you check though. So I would probably just check/call on the river. It could all be avoided if you just dumped this hand preflop though.

francois8 · Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject:

just wanted to point out that the case Ace would give villain the bigger boat as he also has an Ace, so he'd have aces full of 8s. If the ace hit instead of the 4, it would be very difficult to fold aces full at that point. I agree with you that it points out the danger in playing a hand such as this in the first place... namely that it leads to medicore situations and confusing decisions.

dunky23 · Straight Joined: 24 Aug 2008 Posts: 117

Imo, cap plo is pointless and takes the skill out of the game. I think people like it because it plays like nlhe. all in earlier in the hand. So holdem players feel comfortable. The turn and the river is where the true art of plo comes out and the cap always ruins that in any big hand. I highly doubt you'll ever here of Sammy Farha playing cap. Unless thats the only plo game anyones willing to play against him. Which is getting more likely to be the case these days. You should have never even thought about playing this hand pre flop at this level and in a cap game. The reason being you'll see A LOT more showdowns here, then in higher levels uncapped games. A hand like this doesn't preform well in showdowns.

ioncannon11 · Banned Joined: 14 Sep 2008 Posts: 220

No, good play on the flop. Preflop, I disagree with everyone. I limp with every hand in Omaha. The luck factor is so high with 4 hole cards that I almost always hit something. Believe me it's worth it.

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