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_Xceptional

Fully consumed by the current dream I am having, usually me coming over the top of some notable pro, all while holding the nuts, it almost always ends as my Samsung cell phone starts blurting that annoying techno, rave, dance sounding alarm. It's about 11 am, and I'm just awakening, all throughout the night my dreams have swung in and out of poker. One of the first things to cross my mind when I awake is to check the Full Tilt Forum. I need to get my fill, poker is an ever important factor in my life these days. However, certain things about the game, more notably, online, are starting to annoy me.

All I want to do when I wake up in the morning is to peruse Full Tilt in smooth order with out having 15 "Poker is rigged" accusation posts (in the wrong sub-section)spat in my face. It's a complete diservice to me, and if you think online poker is rigged, then why in God's name are you continuing to shell hundreds and hundreds of dollars each month to this monster known as Online Poker? One large component that I notice is none of what happens to their unlucky souls would ever stem from poor play on their behalf. For they are always getting their hands in as favorites, never play prior streets poorly, and definately do not lay their opponents favorable odds to draw. And what's their basis for a 4:1 underdog suckout? Well, online poker must be rigged, I know I'm not playing poorly. Well, no, I'm here to tell you it's not rigged, and that bad beats are a part of the game, live or online.

That's right, I said it, and no, I'm not being endorsed by Full Tilt poker or the Kahnawake Gaming Commission to say that online poker isn't rigged. I truly believe that online poker is not rigged. I believe this because I've logged thousands of hours, and as many hands playing, observing, winning, and losing. When the dust has settled, the river card has hit, and the pot's been shipped I haven't had the notion that Full Tilt is being dishonest with me, and rewarding the dude in the 8 seat for playing 7-2 with the intelligence of a primate.

Think of it from the viewpoint of the gaming commissions and gambling sites. What benefit would they gain by jeopardizing their trust with thousands of loyal players, and many legal statutes? Do you really think there's much to gain by rewarding the inferior player? Certainly building more rake would be a good reason. However, the max rake at any limit is capped at $3 per hand. Yes, that's quite a bit of money spanning 1000's of tables, but is it worth the risk? Many hands never reach the max rake and remain in the less than $1 range. In my eyes, the $3 per hand maximum rake doesn't impact the quarterly report enough for FTP to be risking a shutdown. Simply put, they wouldn't be making enough money via cheating to outweigh the risk of being caught, and shutdown. They make hundreds of millions each year running a perfectly legitimate business . . . people taking advantage from other players. Afterall, many sites are regulated, and reviewed by 3rd party affiliates such as Price-Waterhouse and the like, a big factor in keeping the gaming world clean. Lastly, I see the same beats day in and day out in live games, it happens everywhere, and is a part of the game. If you don't like it, don't play it, that simple.

Let's look at this too, I see many people posting cheat accusations pegged to bad beats in tournaments. Do you really think FTP cares if you place 8th or 1st in a tournament? I mean, afterall, you payed the $1 entry fee and they've already put that $1 dent in your bankroll. What benefit do they gain by altering the Random Number Generator to favor Ultimatefish, and his 1 outter on the river; they gain nothing. If online sites were to cheat, they would be better off laundering money from each persons account, say .50 cents every even day of the week . . . not generate unrealistic situations to build pots.

My question is for you, the skeptic, how would online gaming sites successfully write a program to cheat? Would they target randomly picked players for that day, week or month?

_Xceptional · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject:

Post was too long, added the following....

Would it only be when someone holding a set of aces, and the other player has a 9 out draw to the nuts? How would they randomly pick times to enable the rigging? Would it be random, just like the RNG? For you to compose a solid argument, you need to provide reasons why sites would cheat. We can't prove online gaming sites are cheating, however, I can fall asleep at night knowing I make money whether it's rigged or it isn't. That's all the satisfaction I need.

- Tony

deadmoney314 · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: spam

Yeah, rigged posts are like spam that you can't filter. I dream of a program that could automatically move those threads to a new "idiot posts" section of the forum (although to be politically correct they would probably name it "n00b posts" or "Integrity discussion"). Sadly this is not the case but I've seen Jaconda move quite a few rant threads promptly--which is to no avail this week as she is on vacation.
The cycle that seems to be repeating is, someone loses all or most of their money or misses a shot at a big piece of a tourney then they look for somewhere to vent. It also seems pretty common that these scenarios often involve someone playing NL above their bankroll which inevitably produces a few of these guys everyday. They come here without reading any previous posts and do exactly what the last newbie did. It almost makes me want to suggest not allowing high card members to post until they have read 100 posts--but thats not a good solution either for a lot of reasons.
I would like to see some suggestions on what can be done or if any other forums have tried to deal with this problem.

girlypro · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject:

All the "rigged" posts and accusations are sickening--they are always by people who just don't know any better. I am, however, very surprised that the subject of collusion is not brought up nearly as much, if at all. That is a true hazard to the game. What I would like to know is what is FTP's stand on this touchy subject? Believe it or not, Fishy Poker, (party p, lol) actually employ's specialists to try and wipe that kind of activity out. Just something to think about...

_Xceptional · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject:

Collusion via, multi-accounting is a very popular way to cheat the game. In the last month, there have been some very notable online "pros" who have been wiped off the face of online poker due to cheating, and being caught. Let's just say, poker sites are working on it, but haven't done a very good job in the past, only until a few people notified the respective sites.

girlypro · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject:

Who were these pro's that got caught? If you prefer not to say on this forum, e-mail me at girlypro@hotmail.com--I'd be very interested in knowing/seeing this information--thanks a lot.

deadmoney314 · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:45 pm Post subject: search

there are a few good collusion threads here, use the search function and tell us what u think is missing

KMA_Raise · High Card Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 3

Let's be adults and hopefully we all understand , the world revolves around money. OK and we might assume that poker has been played for 100 or thousands of years. Almost all real poker businesses have "house players" and at any given time a correct smile can influence a hand. I guess we are naive. Lots of money is represented by em..eh the good players, well lets say there are alot of regulars here, maybe 10,000 constant players.wow ..alot of folks..There are at any given time 10 billion people in the world . PLease remember I love poker and online is convenient. Power is in # of players, not quality of play. i can't wait to hear the love from all the FT dogs. But smell the coffee.
KMA_Raise

deadmoney314 · Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:29 am Post subject: ???

Were there any coherent thoughts here? Moreover, were there any accurate stats? lol

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