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This is more of a hypothetical situation based set of questions. I know how I'd react, but what would you guys do. I'll base it most on tournement play. Your tournament life is at stake, and it's first hand of the tourney on all of these. You have no idea how anyone plays, so you have no info but the cards in front of you. And to make it extra special, it's a $10,000 buy-in.

Situation #1: Let's say you're dealt AA in late position. Preflop, Someone goes all-in, do you call? Say 3 people go all-in, do you call? The whole table goes all-in, do you call?

Situation #2: You're dealt 45o in BB and it's limped in by the whole table. The flop comes A23 rainbow, same deal: Someone goes all-in, do you call? Say 3 people go all-in, do you call? The whole table goes all-in, do you call?

Situation #3: You're dealt 68o and limp in as do the rest of the table. Flop comes A57 rainbow and is checked around. Turn is a 4, again, same deal: Someone goes all-in, do you call? Say 3 people go all-in, do you call? The whole table goes all-in, do you call?

I'm just curious as to what you would do. I left out any situation on the river because you know you'd have the nuts or not by then. I also left off the possiblilty of flushes. All of these situations are based on the fact that you have the best hand possible at that point. You're not drawing to anything at that point, but everyone else would be, or they're holding the same thing you are. Do you let the rest of the cards to decide your fate, or do you muck and let it decide theirs?

So??

CrazyJoeDavola · Straight Flush Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 393

Situation #1: Let's say you're dealt AA in late position. Preflop, Someone goes all-in, do you call? Say 3 people go all-in, do you call? The whole table goes all-in, do you call?

Situation #2: You're dealt 45o in BB and it's limped in by the whole table. The flop comes A23 rainbow, same deal: Someone goes all-in, do you call? Say 3 people go all-in, do you call? The whole table goes all-in, do you call?

Situation #3: You're dealt 68o and limp in as do the rest of the table. Flop comes A57 rainbow and is checked around. Turn is a 4, again, same deal: Someone goes all-in, do you call? Say 3 people go all-in, do you call? The whole table goes all-in, do you call?

#1) Heads-up I'd call, 3 people I'd call, whole table the chance for a drawout is really high as you'd have to put a few on high suited conectors and pkt pairs. That's a tough one, and having position wouldn't matter for an all-in pre-flop, I'd hate to lay it down but I probably would.
#2)&3) Flopping, & turning the nuts, I'd push in in every scenario since it's a rainbow & unpaired, chances are you're up against two pair or a set or maybe even a gutshot (If the guy's got money to burn, lol)I like my chances in those cases.

dkgojackets · Straight Flush Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 429

For #1 Id lay it down only if the whole table goes all-in. The odds are AA wont hold up against 8 random hands. The other two situations I beat them to the pot with all my chips to call.

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8151 Location: Sweden

Yes to every question. If the entire table goes all-in pre-flop when I've got aces, I'm going home a big part of the time, but the odds overlay is just too big to lay the hand down. When it comes to #2 and #3 it's just good that several people go all-in, as long as they have some kind of a hand. You'll have to assume that you're gone if the board pairs, so you want as many people as possible to have hands that match the board, making it harder for your opponent(s) to fill up.

NobAzn · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:40 am Post subject:

You gave us 3 situations in which I have the nuts, even if it is preflop AA is still a big favorite over random hands, and the other two sitations I would need to be beaten by a runner straight or flush cards which is a bad draw.
I would love to play on a table in which everyone goes all in on the first hand and I have AA.

Kos13 · Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject:

In Situation #1, I'd call any one player, and I'd quickly fold if the whole table went all in. Three all-ins is tough, though, so I'd say it depends on the tournament. If I'm sitting in between Phil Ivey and Sam Farha to begin the main event, I'd call with the aces. If I think I'm playing with eight donkeys, I'd consider folding them. With three other people all-in, you're probably lose the pot somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the time. The pot odds say you should call, but do you want to risk your tournament life like that? It's a really tough decision to make, so I say it all depends on the feel you have for the table. If you think you can beat the table later on, let the aces go.

Situation #2 is an easy call with three other people in. With no flush possibilities, you're in good shape. 4-5 vs. AA, 22, and 33 loses less than 21% of the time. Unlike the aces, you're in fantastic shape since you're only going home about one out of five times. 4-5 vs. AA, 33, and AK only loses 25% of the time. 4-5 vs. AA, 33, and 4-6 or 5-6 (that would be quite ballsy) loses about 40% of the time, but I don't know how you could expect someone to go all in with just a gutshot. Even the biggest donkeys could fold 6 high in that situation.

Situation #3 is an auto-call for me in any of the situations. The best case scenario for you is to see your 6-8 vs. AA, 55, 77, and 44. The more people in, the better: anyone overplaying hands like AK, A7, or 5-4 is taking more non-you outs away. The only hand that you could fear other than a set would be 8-9, and that would be a pretty awful play (and it would still have just four outs of its own). 6-8 vs. 8-9 and any set loses less than 31% of the time. 6-8 vs. 8-9 and three sets loses less than 24% of the time.

Kos

KGBlovesOreos · Moderator Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 5318 Location: VA

i say yes to every one of your questions... with the nuts, yes, i would call no matter how many ppl go all in in front of me... now, w/ aces preflop, i know that it's very unlikely that my hand would hold up with eight all-ins in front of me, but i'd still call... if they have to outdraw me, fine... as long as my money goes in when i'm ahead, i dont care if i get outdrawn...

Strasse · Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: Re:

Notorious_JL · Straight Flush Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 383

easy for me, I'd be in every one.

In sit#1 you'll lose 1/2 the time, but the other half when you win you'll quadruple up; no brainer to me.

JL

Cudd517 · Pair Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 27

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