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htichy78 · Royal Flush Joined: 17 Jun 2008 Posts: 990

hi guys, decided to try learn omaha, seem to quite enjoy the change from holdem but stuff like this keeps happening to me. maybe im not choosing correct starting hands, im not sure
see below and please tell me what am i doing wrong.

Full Tilt Poker Game #7971392128: Table Marla (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - $40 Cap Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6:03:38 ET - 2008/09/07
Seat 1: htichy78 ($60.65)
Seat 2: evilaces123 ($29.85)
Seat 3: IowaHoldem ($282.70)
Seat 4: XenoByte69 ($177.75)
Seat 5: AKANTONY ($149.75)
Seat 6: Mission74 ($94.55)
AKANTONY posts the small blind of $0.50
Mission74 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to htichy78 [Jd Ts 9s Js]
htichy78 raises to $2
evilaces123 calls $2
IowaHoldem calls $2
XenoByte69 folds
AKANTONY calls $1.50
Mission74 calls $1
*** FLOP *** [2d 9d 9c]
AKANTONY checks
Mission74 checks
htichy78 bets $2
evilaces123 calls $2
IowaHoldem folds
AKANTONY calls $2
Mission74 raises to $20
htichy78 raises to $38, and is capped
evilaces123 folds
AKANTONY folds
Mission74 calls $18, and is capped
htichy78 shows [Jd Ts 9s Js]
Mission74 shows [8d 9h 7s 5d]
*** TURN *** [2d 9d 9c] [As]
*** RIVER *** [2d 9d 9c As] [5c]
htichy78 shows three of a kind, Nines
Mission74 shows a full house, Nines full of Fives
Mission74 wins the pot ($87) with a full house, Nines full of Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $90 | Rake $3
Board: [2d 9d 9c As 5c]
Seat 1: htichy78 showed [Jd Ts 9s Js] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 2: evilaces123 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: IowaHoldem folded on the Flop
Seat 4: XenoByte69 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: AKANTONY (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Mission74 (big blind) showed [8d 9h 7s 5d] and won ($87) with a full house, Nines full of Fives

htichy78 · Royal Flush Joined: 17 Jun 2008 Posts: 990

ANY COMMENTS?

dunky23 · Straight Joined: 24 Aug 2008 Posts: 117

I would have raised 2.50$ preflop, doubling it doesn't accomplish much. You could of limped in, which wouldn't of made a difference either way. The most important thing when raising pre-flop is to raise the exact same amount every time. They will never know your hand range this way. I prefer 2 and 1/2 half times the big blind but its more of a preference. If you double the bb then you should always do that. Since 2x the bb isn't enough to get out the blinds I wouldn't recomend it. The most popular raises pre flop are the pot or 3x, im the only one at the lower limits i've seen raise 2 1/2x But if you watch the very high stakes you'll see it all the time. Yor bet post flop was too little. With the bet here your goal is to push out the over pairs and also sniff out the 22xx or 92xx. A min bet does not accomplish either of these. the underfull 22999 can just call and stay hidden and so could the overfull 99922. Let me also mention that if someone had 22xx and just called that would be a horrible play imo, same with 92xx. But you'll see it all the time at these limits. When he raised you to 20$ that would normally show xtreme strength and the correct play would be to fold. Especially 'cause your hand has the strucural defect of having a pair in it. Giving you 5 outs to a full house instead of the 9 you would have without the pair. But sense you have played this hand so weakly the twenty dollar bet could be an aggressive player smelling weakness. So you see when you kept betting min. you let a lot of overpairrs possibly suck out for cheap, you had no clue what ne1 had and when someone raised pot you might not want to fold because he could be bluffing. If however you played this hand more strongly when the guy raised pot you could have folded instantly. Knowing that he saw your strong play and still coming over you shows xtreme strength, also almost always whenever any one bets so much when the have so little invested in the pot that also shows xtreme strengh. Since this was a cap game and you had no clue if he was bluffing, you had to do what you did and go to the cap. If there was no cap its 50/50 imo either fold to the 20$ or just smooth call and then check the turn if you dont fill up and if he bets big you fold instantly. If you do hit one of your 5 possible outs, very unlikey 6 outs. then you should bet pot on the turn and river and get allin as soon as you can. Most people looking at this hand would say oh you just got unlucky but after reading this hopefully you know that wasn't the case. Its weird that your early position didnt seem to be much of a disadvantage here, because most the time its the most important part of omaha. but this hand was an exception. For you I suggest sticking to the cap game so these mistakes dont cost you your whole stack. But in a no cap game your play here would have been a blunder costing you your whole stack. To make the transition to no cap you'll need to bet more aggressivley when you flop a good hand like this. To protect yourself and sniff out monster hands. And also be able to fold these hands instantly when someone shows xtreme strength on top of your strength. Protecting you hands and folding big, but not huge hands are the two things you should work on. Also try to bet the same ammount everytime preflop. try 3x.

kcstoltz · Royal Flush Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 620

1 thing to remeber is that there will be several nice hands just have to in my opinion bet then check to find the power

dunky23 · Straight Joined: 24 Aug 2008 Posts: 117

Another thing worth mentioning is that on the flop you were actually behind in the hand! he had you 51%/49% amazing, huh? That structural defect of the pair in your hand really hurt you big.

francois8 · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:35 am Post subject:

Nice posts dunky.

I also just wanted to add that this hand could have ended differently if you were in later position. Once you have that flop, you most certainly have to bet, but I agree with dunky that you should bet more if you're going to bet the flop at all. With all of the callers behind you, it simply builds the pot and increases the amount that you can be re-raised.

Whereas, if you were in later position, the other player with the 9 would have had to bet where you would then have been in a position to choose between calling a smaller bet from him, or choosing to be the aggressor and re-raising the pot. He probably would have called, but given that it was 49/51, that small amount of fold equity plus the extra amount in the pot from the other players preflop would make that a +EV play.

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