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jongreenway
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 Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: 200NL - 87cc Balluga Bluff |
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Villain is standard TAG 20/16/2.5 with a c bet % over 80%.
I am playing a bit nittier than usual pre flop 18/13 with an aggression factor of 2.31
OTF I'm feeling that he is c betting everything really and I'll float a card and take it on the turn when he checks. Then on the turn bet I'm basically putting him on Ax and I feel a standard TAG is capable of folding A9 A10 AJ AQ AK here a lot of the time.
(My plan is to shove any river).
Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Hero (BTN): $200
SB: $200
BB: $208.55
UTG: $208.20
MP: $324.20
CO: $200
Pre-Flop: 7 8 dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, CO raises to $7, Hero calls $7, 2 folds
Flop: ($17) A 6 2 (2 Players)
CO bets $14, Hero calls $14
Turn: ($45) 5 (2 Players)
CO bets $30, Hero raises to $62 |
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drtre1987
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| I like it. |
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Riddim
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| Given your image I think I like it. For most tags this feels like one of those bluff spots that are good in theory but where people always end up looking you up though. |
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Equity Abyss
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Wouldn't a standard TAG read your turn raise as representing a combo draw at best and then 3bet shove with a hand like AK? |
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GoldenDomer9
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Is your turn raise amount (near minimum) to leave a little bit more to shove on the river or because or something else? Do you think it makes you look stronger or do you think that is all that is required to fold out the hands you referenced in the OP? Or are you trying to find room for a fold if he does come over the top OTT?
Just curious. |
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nilgiri
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Turn raise looks strong, river shove is going to fold out most one-pair hands. I suspect hands better than one-pair are going to be scared of draws and are often going to 3-bet shove the turn (how true is that? anyone?), so you can fold when that happens, and be pretty sure that if you make it to the river your shove will do the trick.
Obviously you have to have the image to back it up, which I believe you do.
So yeah, I like it. |
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jongreenway
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Is your turn raise amount (near minimum) to leave a little bit more to shove on the river or because or something else?
Yeah, river would be a pot sized shove bet.
Do you think it makes you look stronger or do you think that is all that is required to fold out the hands you referenced in the OP?
Yeah, I think it looks stronger to make a smaller value raise (especially with my nit image)
Or are you trying to find room for a fold if he does come over the top OTT?
Not sure about that one  |
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jongreenway
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| Equity Abyss wrote: |
| Wouldn't a standard TAG read your turn raise as representing a combo draw at best and then 3bet shove with a hand like AK? |
If you were a standard TAG and a nitty solid player raised you on the turn like that would you be happy about getting it in with A9-AK? If you shove and get called how often will you be ahead? |
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HuJwang
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| you're repping a really narrow range though. 66 22 65s. maybe A6s/A5s, but not sure if you play those preflop. but anyway that's 12 combos total. not sure how much your opponent will be thinking about this, i suppose it can work, but you're basically risking 180 to win 100 so it has to work nearly 2/3 of the time. |
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drtre1987
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| HuJwang wrote: |
| you're repping a really narrow range though. 66 22 65s. maybe A6s/A5s, but not sure if you play those preflop. but anyway that's 12 combos total. not sure how much your opponent will be thinking about this, i suppose it can work, but you're basically risking 180 to win 100 so it has to work nearly 2/3 of the time. |
this is true that he is repping a really narrow range, but unless jongreenway has been doing a ton of floating and bluffing with this line in the past, the villian has no reason to put him on air here. and i figure that there is no past history like this, or else he probably would have mentioned that in the OP. |
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