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Wayniac
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side_tracked
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side_tracked
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| ManilaDog wrote: |
| No,you're not a losing player..........but every bet today...at this table is a gamble. |
so is getting in your car today and driving to work today big deal i still get in my car and go to work i know there a chance i will get in a wreak and die what if what if what if i won a lot of money mabye i would think im a stud and invincible then get owned tomorrow..... |
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Lucky_Bub
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| It's so damn tempting to to start chasing things trying to get some of that money back. You think to yourself I'll just get lucky here even though I know this is -EV and then I'll go back to playing right. |
I'm guilty of this. This may be the worst thing you can do during a downswing. Just a few days ago, I was running pretty bad. I started to tilt and registered for a HU sng that was way out of my limits with this very intention. I was playing pretty well, until the sick cooler came to bust me. I immediately excluded myself after this, but it was too late. I had lost nearly everything.
Of course this was stupid, but it's not always that easy when emotions get the better of you during a poker session. Please, people, never chase after money during a downswing. It's not worth it! |
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SilverBull
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| ManilaDog wrote: |
| No,you're not a losing player..........but every bet today...at this table is a gamble. |
so is getting in your car today and driving to work today big deal i still get in my car and go to work i know there a chance i will get in a wreak and die what if what if what if i won a lot of money mabye i would think im a stud and invincible then get owned tomorrow..... |
Yeah almost everything is a gamble, just the risk that we take might be more than others, now for a guy that plays socially on weekends with his buddies and a poker pro the poker pro would have a better chance of winning, guess the more you know about the game and experience the less of a risk you take at losing.
I guess I look at poker like the risk and rewards of it, I could lose alot but I could win a lot more if I take some risks just like any entrepreneur in this world. |
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Bob Garner
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Lets face it guys life is a gamble if your a card player or not. When you pay $9 to go to a movie you have never seen you are gambling if your going to enjoy it. LOL same thing happens on a 1st date.
So may be the awnser is to look at each day of card playing like - yes we dont know what the end result will be, however if we do the best we can to make correct decisions, even if the result isnt what we wanted, maybe we can come away with the understanding that we will have better results that if we had not made good decisions.
I have been a coach for over 35 years now. One thing I know for sure, is that successful people simply do what loosers wont do. They hunt, they seek, they keep pounding until it comes. sometimes quicker for others for no reason other than they found it sooner. But all can find the awnser thats right for them, the only reason some do and some dont, is some quit really hunting. there are many examples in life where one man succeeds and another one fails with seemingly identical qualifications. Why does one man work for $10 an hour and another make $100 with the same oppurtunities and similiar education? The man making $100 an hour simply refuses to work for $10. The man making $10 has accepted this is where hes at.
If we are going to be great poker players, yes except the fact that AA WILL get cracked sometimes by 52o, But never expect it too and for sure
dont quit trying to win with it. In the long run it has to come out ahead for the same reason correct desisions have too. ITS SIMPLY MORE CORRECT! |
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JINGOisME
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In the sense that every card has the exact same % chance to be pulled out of the deck and put on the table does nearly make it a 50/50 shot any two hands. Except of course, you have a less likely chance to hit the cards you already hold. For example you are less likely to make a pair of 8's or 5's if you hold them than if you did not, if that makes sense.
When it comes down to it really, you are better off to connectors at any level than a pair. The pair can't really improve except for that set. On the other hand the player with the 3 6 has 6 cards that can hit that they need two of, or there are four 4's, four 5's that can hit, four 2's and four 7s. Suited connectors would be even better!
In the long run too, on a base of infinite numbers, AA could lose to 5-2 for 100,000 years straight and be 100% perfectly normal and average. |
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gatorkid26
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In the sense that every card has the exact same % chance to be pulled out of the deck and put on the table does nearly make it a 50/50 shot any two hands. Except of course, you have a less likely chance to hit the cards you already hold. For example you are less likely to make a pair of 8's or 5's if you hold them than if you did not, if that makes sense.
When it comes down to it really, you are better off to connectors at any level than a pair. The pair can't really improve except for that set. On the other hand the player with the 3 6 has 6 cards that can hit that they need two of, or there are four 4's, four 5's that can hit, four 2's and four 7s. Suited connectors would be even better!
In the long run too, on a base of infinite numbers, AA could lose to 5-2 for 100,000 years straight and be 100% perfectly normal and average. |
lol...dont you think that would be somewhat of a mathematical improbability? |
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JINGOisME
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| You ever watch that show, "Quantum Leap"? I actually stole most of what I said from one of those episodes. Sounds like it should be right? |
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pghbandit
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Lets face it guys life is a gamble if your a card player or not. When you pay $9 to go to a movie you have never seen you are gambling if your going to enjoy it. LOL same thing happens on a 1st date.
So may be the awnser is to look at each day of card playing like - yes we dont know what the end result will be, however if we do the best we can to make correct decisions, even if the result isnt what we wanted, maybe we can come away with the understanding that we will have better results that if we had not made good decisions.
I have been a coach for over 35 years now. One thing I know for sure, is that successful people simply do what loosers wont do. They hunt, they seek, they keep pounding until it comes. sometimes quicker for others for no reason other than they found it sooner. But all can find the awnser thats right for them, the only reason some do and some dont, is some quit really hunting. there are many examples in life where one man succeeds and another one fails with seemingly identical qualifications. Why does one man work for $10 an hour and another make $100 with the same oppurtunities and similiar education? The man making $100 an hour simply refuses to work for $10. The man making $10 has accepted this is where hes at.
If we are going to be great poker players, yes except the fact that AA WILL get cracked sometimes by 52o, But never expect it too and for sure
dont quit trying to win with it. In the long run it has to come out ahead for the same reason correct desisions have too. ITS SIMPLY MORE CORRECT! |
That's actually all pretty good stuff.  |
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JINGOisME
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Honest_Rob
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UFO1947
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I know a guy irl and I personally think he is the worst player on the face of the planet and he 100% believes that every hand is 50% to win cause you either hit or you don't.
I have given up trying to tell him so now I just take his money |
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ioncannon11
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I think the key here (and what Honest Rob was trying to get at) is learning how to let go of the built in expectation that the best hand is 'supposed' to win every time. It is this expectation that is the single biggest cause of tilt when it doesn't hold. We feel cheated, violated, maybe even outright bamboozled. Maybe not in a literal sense but these are the emotions that often come to the surface. It is a natural reaction for pretty much everyone.
But if you step back, from an objective standpoint it is a bit silly to react this way. 25% to win the hand is 25%, it isn't 0. That under-pair is supposed to hit a set against your aces sometimes even if you got the money all in preflop. That one outer will still hit on the river exactly as often as it is supposed to. Getting mad, flustered or frustrated over these things really is pretty pointless, and it usually hinders us from continuing to play the best we can. I think this is where Rob's/Kiwi's 50/50 thing comes in (I guess in this thread its 50% Robs and 50% Kiwi's lol). Of course it isn't literally true, but I see it as an attempt to come to peace with where the cards fall, regardless of how likely or unlikely they were to fall that way on that particular hand. It is something we can't control. If we could learn to just accept the result every time, regardless of what it was, then move on and simply set about playing the next hand as well as we can, we'd all be better players. |
This is so true and I wish I would've read it BEFORE I went on tilt and lost $100 on Absolute.  Bad timing for me I suppose.
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kfs
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I know a guy irl and I personally think he is the worst player on the face of the planet and he 100% believes that every hand is 50% to win cause you either hit or you don't.
I have given up trying to tell him so now I just take his money |
Ask him if winning the lottery is 50/50.  You either win or you dont! |
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