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missjugsalot Message Board Junkie
Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 1318 Location: Land of the free, because of the brave
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| fire_eyes_2k wrote: |
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| As FE2k said, the truly poor in the USA get locked up - they're too much of an eye-sore (guilt perhaps?) for the rich people to bear to look at them. |
Not sure I agree with that, but the poor are significantly more likely to be screwed by the 'justice' system in the USA, and are less likely to find their feet again if they fall (financially). I can honestly say I believe the best 'state welfare' system exists in either Australia, France or NZ. |
fine, I stand corrected, though "Not sure I agree with that" isn't exactly a strong denunciation of this statement. Again eyes, be reasonable, and I have no problem with you. I love my country, and don' like when people attack it unreasonably. America is far from perfect, no doubt, but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else, period. So are we burying the cyber hatchet? |
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missjugsalot Message Board Junkie
Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 1318 Location: Land of the free, because of the brave
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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After all, in America, poor means I'll have plenty of space, cable TV, A/C, a car, an x-box and Taco Bell.
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Is that a joke? I know I'm not an American citizen (yet) but I spend a hell of a lot of time out there and I'm curious where exactly a 'poor' person has such luxuries? Poor in Beverly Hills maybe, but in most of the America I know, a poor person will probably be in jail. If he/she isnt currently in jail, they will probably have to resort to crime to feed themselves and their family. They probably have running water and electricity, but their car is old and tiring if it works at all, they may have to watch a stolen tv set and their internet is at a local cafe. I am assuming here that they have a home, a step too far in most cases. Oh yeah and they almost certainly rent, rather than own a home if they live in one.
Come on now, get a grip. The only difference between America and the rest of the post industrialised nations out there is that the rich are richer, and the poor are poorer. |
this is where you said we imprison the poor, btw. |
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ilikewildponies Three of a Kind
Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 92 Location: Flint, Michigan
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Do we know each other Miss? |
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alex j beeson Message Board Junkie
Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 1256
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: |
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There are indeed plenty off apartments available for <$500 (as low as $350) per month, so we can reduce that a little. As for car payments, a car is a luxury not a necessity, if you're lucky you'll have a motorbike, otherwise a pedal bike.
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LOL When you become a citizen and you live here you will learn. $350 a month? Well, it will be somewhere you won't wanna be for long...
In the big cities you can do without a car, but if you are in the burbs, or the country, you better have a car. There is no eruo-rail here, public transportation is a joke for the most part. But, no worries, you'll learn.
Oh, an do get a job if your gonna live here..... Ah hell, you dont have to do that you can use the system. Everyone else does.... |
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feihua Message Board Junkie
Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2085 Location: Asakura, Fukuoka Japan
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Hehe, yeah, that car thang?
In the States, it isn't a luxury, it's a liability.
There are very few places in the US can one get along without a car. A bicycle can work for a lot of things, but not so much in a country fixated on suburban living.
And if you only have one........and something goes wrong....life is real hell. So, two is almost a necessity where one has to have one.
I read a report at the beginning of the summer that said most incomes were having to use at least 25% of the amount on transportation. The majority of Galveston for example commutes to Houston by car. |
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missjugsalot Message Board Junkie
Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 1318 Location: Land of the free, because of the brave
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: |
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ok eyes, I googled first they came. I have said this very thing, only in different words, when I said tyranny reigns when good people do nothing. Here is the original:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
So this is a great sentiment , but I dont see how you apply this to the poor in America. Are you saying that the govt is "coming for" the poor and we're next? If so, that is really lame. Please do not compare the U.S. to Nazi's, thats the kind of thing that got this whole discussion started.
Are you going to tell me next that the Russian invasion of Georgia is no different than our invasion of Iraq? oh wait, thats what Obama already said. he beat you to it. |
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missjugsalot Message Board Junkie
Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 1318 Location: Land of the free, because of the brave
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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here's a news story you might like FE2k:
Cost Of Living Now Outweighs Benefits
April 13, 2005 |
WASHINGTON, DC—A report released Monday by the Federal Consumer Quality-Of-Life Control Board indicates that the cost of living now outstrips life's benefits for many Americans.
"This is sobering news," said study director Jack Farness. "For the first time, we have statistical evidence of what we've suspected for the past 40 years: Life really isn't worth living."
To arrive at their conclusions, study directors first identified the average yearly costs and benefits of life. Tangible benefits such as median income ($43,000) were weighed against such tangible costs as home-ownership ($18,000). Next, scientists assigned a financial value to intangibles such as finding inner peace ($15,000), establishing emotional closeness with family members ($3,000), and brief moments of joy ($5 each). Taken together, the study results indicate that "it is unwise to go on living."
"Since 1965, the cost-benefit ratio of American life has been approaching parity," Farness said. "While figures prior to that date show that life was worth living, there is some suspicion that the benefits cited were superficial and misreported."
Analyzed separately and as one, both the tangible and intangible factors suggest that life is a losing investment.
"Rising energy costs, increased prices on everyday goods and services, and the decreased value of the dollar have combined to drive the cost of living in this country to an all-time high," Farness said. "At the same time, an ever-increasing need for additional emotional-energy output, low rates of interest in one another, and the decreasing value of ourselves all greatly exceed our fleeting epiphanies."
Experts nationwide have corroborated the report's findings.
"The average citizen's lousy, smelly, uncomfortable daily-transportation costs rose 2.1 percent in January," Derek Capeletti of **** **** Capital Management said. "Clothing costs were up 2.3 percent, reflecting an increased need for the pleated khakis, sensible sweater-sets, and solid ties we have to wear to our awful **** jobs. And grocery expenses were up almost 4 percent, reflecting the difficulty that light-beer, microwave-burrito, and rotisserie-chicken makers have faced in meeting the needs of a depressed economy and citizenry."
Capeletti added: "The benefits of living remained stable or decreased. Especially—surprise, surprise—in our love lives."
According to the study, high-risk, short-term, interest-based investments in the lives of others cost thousands of dollars a year and rarely yield benefits, financial or otherwise. Although conservative, long-term partnerships do provide limited returns, the study indicates that they tie up capital and limit options.
Child-rearing, a course taken by many people who choose to live, is actually contributing to the problem.
"The fact is, the supply of Americans greatly outstrips demand," said Evan Alvi of the Portland-based Maynard Institute. "Americans seem to believe that minting more lives will increase the value of their own holdings. All they are doing, though, is inflating the supply and reducing the dividends paid by long-term familial bonds."
Despite life's depreciating value, Alvi did not recommend that shareholders divest themselves of their holdings.
"Limited dumping could result in a short-term increase in available resources for those who remain in the market," Alvi said. "However, it's a risky move that could affect perception of value, leading to mass divesture."
Alvi added, "And let's not fail to mention that some religious experts say there are penalties for early withdrawal." |
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missjugsalot Message Board Junkie
Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 1318 Location: Land of the free, because of the brave
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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feihua-sama, can you please explain this?
looks like the natives have removed Gulliver's penis, and are parading it through the streets.
oh wait, it some kind of festival. They have a parade:
rides for the kiddies:
oooh, and juicy meat sticks:
I love juicy meat sticks!
and what is this, long creamy cones?
and a good time was had by all...... |
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Loopholes202 Message Board Junkie
Joined: 21 Jan 2008 Posts: 2171 Location: Washington
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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plz? |
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feihua Message Board Junkie
Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2085 Location: Asakura, Fukuoka Japan
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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feihua-sama, can you please explain this?
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March 15 is a great day.
Spring madness springs ManNess.
Komaki, near Nagoya, has some very nice furniture.
By the year 2050, Japan will have lost 20% of the nation's population. And it will never be recovered as long as the countryside is intent on making furniture. |
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bluestone10 Message Board Junkie
Joined: 01 Dec 2006 Posts: 1323 Location: The Southern (and a little western) USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| awesome stooools!! |
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