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JINGOisME
Royal Flush
Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 738
Location: Chicago
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 Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: Please, explain why I suck! |
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Hand #16022ACA75000638: Tournament Table 41
Seat 1: jingoisme*aj (4040.00 in chips)
Seat 2: Big*** (3291.00 in chips)
Seat 3: vp98*** (2715.00 in chips)
Seat 4: Rang*** (2595.00 in chips)
Seat 5: rsxb*** (6020.00 in chips)
Seat 6: prin*** (2860.00 in chips)
Seat 7: +tiv*** (3421.00 in chips)
Seat 8: NOJM*** (2620.00 in chips)
Seat 9: !!HI*** (5438.00 in chips)
Seat 10: pro1*** (3000.00 in chips)
vp98***: posts small blind $15
Rang***: posts big blind $30
Dealt to jingoisme*aj [ 7c 7h ]
rsxb***: folds
prin***: folds
+tiv***: folds
NOJM***: folds
!!HI***: calls
pro1***: folds
jingoisme*aj: calls
Big***: calls
vp98***: folds
Rang***: checks
@@@ F_L_O_P @@@ [ Jc 7s 7d ]
Rang***: checks
!!HI***: checks
jingoisme*aj: checks
Big***: bets $135
Rang***: folds
!!HI***: folds
jingoisme*aj: calls
# # # TURN # # # [ 3s ]
jingoisme*aj: checks
Big***: bets $150
jingoisme*aj: calls
&&& RIVER &&& [ 9d ]
jingoisme*aj: checks
Big***: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Big***: shows [ Jh Tc ] (Two Pairs, Jacks and Sevens )
jingoisme*aj: shows [ 7c 7h ] (Four of a Kind, Sevens )
jingoisme*aj wins $705 with Four of a Kind, Sevens
What happened here? Was I in shock?
Then,...
Hand #16022ACA75001241: Tournament Table 41
Seat 1: jingoisme*aj (4044.00 in chips)
Seat 2: JC S*** (2793.00 in chips)
Seat 3: give*** (7638.00 in chips)
Seat 4: GrtS*** (3177.00 in chips)
Seat 5: SPI8*** (10417.00 in chips)
Seat 6: Gord*** (4379.00 in chips)
Seat 7: Chis*** (2894.00 in chips)
Seat 8: j.fr*** (4221.00 in chips)
Seat 9: ORIO*** (4148.00 in chips)
Seat 10: bern*** (2925.00 in chips)
Chis***: posts small blind $25
j.fr***: posts big blind $50
Dealt to jingoisme*aj [ Tc 8s ]
ORIO***: folds
bern***: folds
jingoisme*aj: raises to $225
JC S***: folds
give***: calls
GrtS***: folds
SPI8***: calls
Gord***: folds
Chis***: folds
j.fr***: calls
@@@ F_L_O_P @@@ [ 7h Kd 3d ]
j.fr***: checks
jingoisme*aj: bets $400
give***: calls
SPI8***: folds
j.fr***: calls
# # # TURN # # # [ 8c ]
j.fr***: checks
jingoisme*aj: bets $650
give***: folds
j.fr***: calls
&&& RIVER &&& [ 7s ]
j.fr***: checks
jingoisme*aj: bets $1,600
j.fr***: calls
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jingoisme*aj: shows [ Tc 8s ] (Two Pairs, Eights and Sevens )
j.fr***: shows [ Ts Kh ] (Two Pairs, Kings and Sevens )
j.fr*** wins $6,625 with Two Pairs, Kings and Sevens
I knew he had the king... I mean, I knew it! I knew he'd call. I also knew I had no other way to win the hand though, and I guess I wanted to win it a little too bad. Would going all in had made a difference? I figured that would have looked too much like a bad bluff and they'd have def called even with low pair. |
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KronX
Pot Committed
Joined: 10 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| looks like you don't bet when you have a hand, and bet when you don't have a hand. |
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lovebeefstew
Message Board Junkie
Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| KronX wrote: |
| looks like you don't bet when you have a hand, and bet when you don't have a hand. |
rofl |
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JINGOisME
Royal Flush
Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 738
Location: Chicago
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| KronX wrote: |
| looks like you don't bet when you have a hand, and bet when you don't have a hand. |
yup.. I just figured if I bet the quads theyd fold right away, and at least I as getting them to min bet to me. Had to hope they'd make a better hand by the river and make that last bet so I could check raise big, having a little better pot odds on them to make a call.
The other hand,... I just really suck. |
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francois8
Full House
Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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Location: Conshohocken, PA
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| Dude, you never raised once on quads? I mean you got him to bet into you on the flop and you smooth called, I'm OK with that one. On the turn somehow he lead again, you've got to raise there. Once you decide to call, I'd just go ahead and put an overbet in on the river, hoping he would call thinking that you missed your flush. Can't check that down without ever raising or leading once. |
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doyle11
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Joined: 29 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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In the first hand u have to put in a raise at some point. You have to know wat type of player ur opponent was. Is he the type of player that keeps firing away at pots or is he more tight. I get the check on the flop...but after that maybe checkraise the turn and raise again on the river... u need to get more chips in the pot like the person above me said.
The second hand try not raising in middle position with 10 8 off unless u know ur good at playing postflop and that the tbls tight. Judging by all those calls i dont think the tbls tight.And with 4 ppl in the hand on the flop a bluff doesnt seem like a good option. You should just give up the hand on the flop wait for a better spot. |
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JINGOisME
Royal Flush
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Location: Chicago
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, I know, I really do suck... I do... but I think I left out a little information.
This was a 50/50 split bounty tournament. So I had to hope, in hand 1, that the player would hit something or already had something big like pocket jacks. Or, a straight draw. Something big enough to get them all in with and earn the bounty. IMO, I couldn't have made more than an additional 150-300 chips on this hand if I had bet or put in a raise at any time during the hand.
I'd have rather recieved all their chips and the bounty, than an extra 150. I don't think I really even played it that bad actually. lol. I just suck though overall. |
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JINGOisME
Royal Flush
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Location: Chicago
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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You can't get any extra money out of a good poker player by check raising their bad hand agasint a solid board.
Thats the lesson here. |
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Kam1972
Pair
Joined: 03 Sep 2008
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Have to agree with the others. For sure nothing wrong in some respects checking down to turn/river with quads, but for sure you got to raise him at one of those points or other. Not enough to scare him off, as he obviously had something. He may have folded thinking you had trips at the very least, but either way its better to bet and see if he will call it than just checking it down.
On the second hand. Well you knew you were behind and didn't lay it down. Laying a hand down when behind is the smart play. Sure sometimes a bluff will get them to laydown, and maybe he would worry slightly about his kicker, but even going all in wouldn't have for sure forced him to lay it down and that could have been you out totally. This kind of thing is quite common when you see someone with say middle pocket pair that refuses to put them down even in the face of overcards on the board and strong betting to them. Just lay them down if you are pretty sure you are behind and the odds aren't with you to improve the hand. Can't win the tournament in one hand, but you can sure knock yourself out or be in dire stack trouble from one hand. |
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