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mathman1115
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I know there are several threads in multiple sections touching on what i'm about to say, but i wanted to start a new one so we can go back to a general discussion. Here are my thoughts:
The bottom line with everything that has gone on with online poker in the last 2 years or whatever (since neteller shut down) is that everyone needs their cut. The IRS, the government, politicians, you name it.
When the right people make sure that everyone is getting a piece of the pie, it all goes away. After all, everything in this world is about one thing, right?
What is the reason for all of this nonsense anyway? What, we need to prevent underage kids from stealing credit cards and gambling away their parents money? Are we trying to help those with gambling addictions keep from going bankrupt and/or destroying their family? Gimme a **** break.
Maybe we should prohibit alchohol again so 15 year olds can't break into their parents liquor cabinet when they're not home. Or maybe cigarettes should be banned from the US because a 70 year old man with emphyzema can't find a way to quit. Hell, let's close every Dairy Queen in the country because overly obese people can't control their food intake.
The fact is, alchohol, cigarettes, and even Dairy Queen will never go away because they all make money, despite those consequences. And even more importantly, that money goes to the right people. When money generated from online poker goes to the right people, no one will have a problem.
If i'm wrong, then you can forget about the land of the free, because its all bull ****. |
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Lrgetrout
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What about marijuana? Like poker, they could regulate and tax it, but try to also get rid of that.
Some things, people will never accept, no matter what. |
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cubbies760
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It's simply about the U.S. Government wanting to get their piece of the pie....the billion dollar online gaming pie.
They don't give a shjt about people or kids gambling their money away, or the peoples' welfare...they want their money. |
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missjugsalot
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Location: Land of the free, because of the brave
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| cubbies760 wrote: |
It's simply about the U.S. Government wanting to get their piece of the pie....the billion dollar online gaming pie.
They don't give a shjt about people or kids gambling their money away, or the peoples' welfare...they want their money. |
sad but true... |
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Lrgetrout
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| cubbies760 wrote: |
It's simply about the U.S. Government wanting to get their piece of the pie....the billion dollar online gaming pie.
They don't give a shjt about people or kids gambling their money away, or the peoples' welfare...they want their money. |
If it was just about getting their share, they would have set up a system to tax and regulate online gaming long ago.
No, it's a puritanical belief that people need to be kept away from "evil vices." Nothing more. |
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cubbies760
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Lrgetrout wrote: |
| cubbies760 wrote: |
It's simply about the U.S. Government wanting to get their piece of the pie....the billion dollar online gaming pie.
They don't give a shjt about people or kids gambling their money away, or the peoples' welfare...they want their money. |
If it was just about getting their share, they would have set up a system to tax and regulate online gaming long ago.
No, it's a puritanical belief that people need to be kept away from "evil vices." Nothing more. |
Don't you think that's in the works?
Why are there casino towns and riverboat gambling if they are concerned about keeping us from the evil vices?
If the evil vices were of utmost importance, there wouldn't be any forms of gambling, no alcohol or tobacco.
It's about money and regulation to assure that they get their money, nothing more.
BTW, online poker has only been going strong for a few years. Before that, there wasn't enough revenue in it for the gov't to worry about getting involved. It's been huge as of about 2005, and we all know that it takes several years for the ball to get rolling. |
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Lrgetrout
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Don't you think that's in the works?
Why are there casino towns and riverboat gambling if they are concerned about keeping us from the evil vices? |
Because those are in control of the states, not the federal government. The farther away you get from a person, the less government actually cares.
Note that California is currently in the process of attempting to start intrastate online poker. Again, states can do what the federal government chooses not to do, because they are closer to the people they govern.
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| If the evil vices were of utmost importance, there wouldn't be any forms of gambling, no alcohol or tobacco. |
Already been tried with alcohol. Remember Prohibition?
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| It's about money and regulation to assure that they get their money, nothing more. |
If it were just about the money, we wouldn't have had the UIGEA. We would have had a cessation of actions against sites, and a full set of regulations developed. (And then, and only then, would they have moved against any sites that refused this regulation.) |
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titanswun
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree that if the "Right People" got their cut it would all go away. So Full Tilt needs to give them their piece of the pie so you can pay us ours. |
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st6truckie
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| cubbies760 wrote: |
It's simply about the U.S. Government wanting to get their piece of the pie....the billion dollar online gaming pie.
They don't give a shjt about people or kids gambling their money away, or the peoples' welfare...they want their money. |
Sorry to say but this is the major problem. They see the amount of money available that they cant get there hands on. |
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bluestone10
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| Lrgetrout wrote: |
| cubbies760 wrote: |
It's simply about the U.S. Government wanting to get their piece of the pie....the billion dollar online gaming pie.
They don't give a shjt about people or kids gambling their money away, or the peoples' welfare...they want their money. |
If it was just about getting their share, they would have set up a system to tax and regulate online gaming long ago.
No, it's a puritanical belief that people need to be kept away from "evil vices." Nothing more. |
not true, they can't regulate offshore gaming sites. so there is no way for them to get action from it. it is all about taxing it |
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sig1561
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+1marijuana
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fletch_smf
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Location: Brisneyland
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+1marijuana
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That's about keeping their jobs. They believe (and it's probably true) that more voters want to keep marijuana illegal and what's popular keeps getting them re-elected. |
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HighKey
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| ...even though every time it comes up for a vote the voters say they want at least medical marijuana legalized (with the possible exception of that one time in Washington DC, which we don't know for sure because Congress forbid them from counting the votes). |
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lovebeefstew
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| So why is this such a problem in the US but not in many other countries? Im in Australia and I have no dramas with anything? |
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trekk
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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What about marijuana? Like poker, they could regulate and tax it, but try to also get rid of that.
Some things, people will never accept, no matter what. |
You obviously do not handle large amounts of marijuana. it is taxed. legally and illegally. |
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