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Honest_Rob · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: 50NL I bluff. You Like?

villain - 21/18/4.0(4553) - fold to cbet: 70

Villain seems a pretty solid player and is capable of folding hands. Her fold to cbet is high. Even though it doesn't exactly fit this situation it indicates she doesn't seem to float much. I put villain on 77-JJ or so when she called the flop raise. I think QQ+ she reraises, maybe JJ too though. I suppose it's possible she might float with overcards very rarely but I think it's really unlikely. My image at this table is fairly tight. I'm running about 17/14.

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saw flop | saw showdown

Button ($32.90)
Hero (SB) ($70.25)
BB ($49.00)
UTG ($52.20)
MP ($77.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10 Heart

A

1 fold, MP raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.00) 6 Spade

3

5

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.00, Hero raises to $9.00, MP calls $6.00

Turn: ($22.00) K Diamond

(2 players)
Hero bets $14.00

HuJwang · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject:

none of the draws have hit and you will never get credit for a K. the problem here is that if she is thinking she knows your range is sets, draws, air here. if you're bluffing with a lot of air then your range is just way too skewed to bluff here. decent players will look you up light. on this flop i would just stick to playing back with draws and sets.

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8177 Location: Sweden

I think the flop c/r is good as long as you don't overdo it, since villain will have overs that completely missed really often. I agree with HuJwang about the turn bet though.

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2131

I don't really like bluff raising on boards like this, but if you do c/r, I think you have to be planning on at least double barreling. Being this deep, the villian pretty much has to reraise the flop with a set since it is such a drawy board. And against this type of player, I think you might be able to push him off of those mid pairs he has so often in this spot with a double/triple barrel.

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8177 Location: Sweden

I like barreling a lot more on a spade than on this card that doesn't looks like it hits our range very often at all. Why do you guys dislike bluffraising this flop btw? Villain is going to have missed overs a lot and will almost never play back with air because he expects us to have a hand or a big draw so often. In addition we can keep firing on spades, tens and aces quite profitably.

CompleteDonk · Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject:

I think if you double barrel a K you're going to have to triple barrel most rivers or I don't like your double barrel OTT.

drtre1987 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2131

Well, first, I didn't see that MP was actually CO. He is probably raising a bunch more hands from CO than he is from MP in a 6 handed game. So a c/r bluff isn't bad against that type of pf opening range. I saw MP and was thinking he was prob raising AT+, KJ+, and only good suited connectors, but from CO he is probably opening J9o type of junky hands too, which makes a ton of extra overcard combos.

But on this board against an MP or UTG raiser in a standard 6 max games, it just seems like c/r get no respect on these boards and you get floated a ton. My reasoning is probably more related to my experience rather than anything else. I'm not saying its terrible or anything, but I just don't do it very often. I just haven't had much success c/r these boards in the past.

Riddim · Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8177 Location: Sweden

Yeah against earlier position raisers you get called a ton simply because they'll have a pair so much more often. I agree with CD btw, but don't know if I like 3-barreling either. The problem is that even if a turn bet isn't profitable, it will fold out weak one pair hands with some frequency, making villain's river range stronger.

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