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sig1561
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 Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: MTT hand analysis help |
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Hey all,
This occurred in the 35K guarantee a bit ago. This seems to be my pitfall and I was wondering if any of you thought I played if wrong or if "that's poker".
Before I show the hand I will fill you in on the scenario quickly. I've been playing very tight. A little while before the hand I checked my stats and I had seen about 10% of the flops. Also, and even more important, the villain in this hand Just lost a hand where his pp9 got beat by pp4.
The hand:
Full Tilt Poker Game #7650596228: $35,000 Guarantee (57456817), Table 69 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:35:12 ET - 2008/08/14
Seat 1: rosazoccali (9,183)-------->VILLAIN
Seat 2: StevoL_7 (5,460)
Seat 3: billwoo (4,960)
Seat 4: mjr1983 (12,405)
Seat 5: tobermeyersr (17,328)
Seat 6: 29cardshark (12,850)
Seat 7: Incision (13,793)
Seat 8: Scott Clements (9,958)
Seat 9: Sig1561 (13,433)--------->ME
rosazoccali antes 25
StevoL_7 antes 25
billwoo antes 25
mjr1983 antes 25
tobermeyersr antes 25
29cardshark antes 25
Incision antes 25
Scott Clements antes 25
Sig1561 antes 25
tobermeyersr posts the small blind of 150
29cardshark posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sig1561 [Kh Kc]
Incision folds
Scott Clements folds
Sig1561 raises to 1,100--------->A raise of 3.66 BB
rosazoccali calls 1,100--------->Smooth call
StevoL_7 folds
billwoo folds
mjr1983 folds
tobermeyersr folds
29cardshark calls 800---------->BB, I'm not very worried
*** FLOP *** [6d 3h Ts]
29cardshark checks
Sig1561 bets 2,400---------> About 2/3 pot bet
rosazoccali calls 2,400--------->Smooth call
29cardshark folds
*** TURN *** [6d 3h Ts] [8d]
Sig1561 bets 8,475---------->Pot size bet to put villain all in
rosazoccali calls 5,658, and is all in
Sig1561 shows [Kh Kc]
rosazoccali shows [Ah As]
Uncalled bet of 2,817 returned to Sig1561
*** RIVER *** [6d 3h Ts 8d] [5c]
Sig1561 shows a pair of Kings
rosazoccali shows a pair of Aces
rosazoccali wins the pot (19,791) with a pair of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 19,791 | Rake 0
Board: [6d 3h Ts 8d 5c]
Seat 1: rosazoccali showed [Ah As] and won (19,791) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: StevoL_7 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: billwoo folded before the Flop
Seat 4: mjr1983 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: tobermeyersr (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: 29cardshark (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Incision folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Scott Clements folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Sig1561 showed [Kh Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Because of the hand before I figured I was getting payed by a tilt call. But the fact that I had been playing pretty tight should have warned me he had AA? I'm not sure.
I guess I'm not necessarily looking for a hand analysis, per se. Rather, I would like analysis in a MTT mindset. My M value was fine and I didn't need to take any real risks. (Little did I know KK would be that risky on a board of rags.)
Anyway, thanks for any help.
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sig1561
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Also, whenever I sloplay AA it always fails. A flop of 9/10/J all spades comes out and I peepee my pants and get bet out. Also, do you think he knew I'd do the betting the rest of the hand because of my preflop raise? I can't see a good player smooth calling this early preflop only to realize their opponent will get out of the hand after a bad flop. I guess he just must have known I'd go all the way. It's the only reason I see him letting me do it.
Ugh so rigged wahhhhhhhhh rigged rigged
Just kidding about the riggedness
...kinda
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doyle11
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Its almost impossible to get away with that situation.... on the flop u could put him on an overpair... but i mean he couldve had jj or qq and played it the same way... unless u had a dead read on the guy u r defintely losin most of ur chips that hand. The only thing is that u have to re raise preflip with kings in that spot. Big pairs are at there best when ur up against a single opponent. Thats the only real mistake u made even tho ur still going to lose ur chips. By just calling u leave urself open for some person to hit with a bad hand. Either way u just got unlucky that hand...better luck next tournament. |
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PBS-S
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| doyle11 wrote: |
| The only thing is that u have to re raise preflip with kings in that spot. Big pairs are at there best when ur up against a single opponent. Thats the only real mistake u made even tho ur still going to lose ur chips. By just calling u leave urself open for some person to hit with a bad hand. |
He didn't have an opportunity to re-raise if I'm reading the hand history correctly.
The smooth call on the flop looks a little suspicious as there are not really any draws out there and he would probably want to raise to protect a hand like A10 (or at least find out where he stands). I feel most people would raise JJ, possibly QQ here too. When I was reading through the hand history I expected him to turn over a set.
It is still very hard to get away from. My advice would probably be not to make the fact the other player could be on tilt a major part of your decision making unless you have seen the player tilt previously. |
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sig1561
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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PBS-S is correct, never did I slowplay this hand whatsoever. I bet on every street.
PBS-S I certainly agree that the smooth call PF is suspicious and I would normally (well, maybe) slowdown on the flop to him but I did attribute the smooth call as a tilt call, expecting the very hands you mentioned: A10, JJ, QQ.
I also agree with PBS-S that I shouldn't necessarily think he's on tilt. But poker, especially online poker, doesn't provide you with too much info as to reads and I had to go with my heart. I've made money doing it before and I guess I'll stick with it.
Thanks for the analysis. I guess we'll have to say, "that's poker"
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doyle11
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| o yea im sry i misread the hand history |
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nobodys bizness
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: |
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You are losing your chips, no way around it.
Nothing by the way he played screams, "I have AA!".
You could not have asked for a better flop with KK. |
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