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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Trips on very low flop and 2 shoves, what now? Reply with quote

Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP1: $11.50
MP2: $15.50
CO: $10
BTN: $7.50
Hero (SB): $15.70
BB: $6.70
UTG: $7.45
UTG+1: $2
UTG+2: $10.25

Pre-Flop: 3 A dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $0.10, UTG+2 raises to $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.15, BB calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10

Flop: ($1.20) 3 4 3 (6 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 bets $0.70, MP1 calls $0.70, BTN folds, Hero raises to $3.70, 2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $10.05 and is All-In, MP1 raises to $11.30 and is All-In, Hero ???
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KronX
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Call. the only thing you are behind is 44.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets just say that calling preflop is not nearly as bad as folding the flop.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

renegades8 wrote:
Lets just say that calling preflop is not nearly as bad as folding the flop.


This.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

minimum raises can mean a lot of things. sometimes aces. i like taking a shot at that persons entire stack. 15 cents seems like a small price to pay. if i miss, or even hit top pair i can let go. i have that control so i dont think preflop is all that bad. i was 99% sure that calling was the right play. i was also 99% sure i had a hammerlock on this hand but i didnt. UTG+2 had 10 10 but MP1 had 43, the most improbable hand ever. i was just wondering if anyone would suspect MP1 of 44 or 43.

Lucky for me i got an ace on the turn and took down a huge pot.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is that A3o just has very, very little potential to actually make a good hand. As for him having 43, that's certainly not too surprising but you still can't fold this. There are way too many crappy overpairs/draws they could be getting it in with, along with some worse threes.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 high flush wrote:
minimum raises can mean a lot of things. sometimes aces. i like taking a shot at that persons entire stack. 15 cents seems like a small price to pay. if i miss, or even hit top pair i can let go. i have that control so i dont think preflop is all that bad. i was 99% sure that calling was the right play. i was also 99% sure i had a hammerlock on this hand but i didnt. UTG+2 had 10 10 but MP1 had 43, the most improbable hand ever. i was just wondering if anyone would suspect MP1 of 44 or 43.

Lucky for me i got an ace on the turn and took down a huge pot.

I think calling pf only has merit if:
A) You're going to hit the flop hard like this often.
B) You're deep enough and the players are bad enough that when you do hit a monster occasionally you're going to get paid off enough to make it worth it.

And I don't think either of those things is really all that true.
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