Online Poker Forum at Full Tilt Poker   FAQ   Search    Register   Profile  Log in to check your private messages  Log in  Online Poker Forum - KJo @ 5nl line check          Online Poker Forum Home -> No Limit/Pot Limit Strategy Discussion Author Message Last Man Danci Two Pair Joined: 21 Aug 2008 Posts: 59 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:52 pm    Post subject: KJo @ 5nl line check PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) Converter Tool from (Format: FlopTurnRiver) Hero ($10.47) Button ($4.83) SB ($8.23) BB ($9.62) UTG ($14.22) MP ($5.56) Preflop: Hero is CO with K, J. 1 fold, MP calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: ($0.25) 3, K, J (5 players) SB bets $0.15, BB folds, MP calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.5, Button calls $0.50, SB calls $0.35, MP calls $0.35. Turn: ($2.25) 7 (4 players) SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.75, Button folds, SB calls $1.75, MP folds. River: ($5.75) 2 (2 players) SB checks, Hero checks. Final Pot: $5.75 Back to top mathman1115 Wizard of Odderation Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Posts: 3085 Location: Land of the Fightin' Phillies Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:57 pm    Post subject: I don't know if its standard to limp with KJ 6 handed, but i would think not. fold or raise PF IMO. Raise bigger on the flop to about $.70. Turn is good. Value bet the river, $3ish. A weak K is likely for him, and there's a chance he'll payoff with a mess of other handse. Last edited by mathman1115 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:02 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top Last Man Danci Two Pair Joined: 21 Aug 2008 Posts: 59 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:02 pm    Post subject: cheers x3 bb raise enough preflop? i almost fell off the chair when he turned over 48 hearts Back to top mathman1115 Wizard of Odderation Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Posts: 3085 Location: Land of the Fightin' Phillies Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:03 pm    Post subject: give people longer than 10 mins to respond How could he turn over 2h its on the board? EDIT: never mind you changed it. Back to top Last Man Danci Two Pair Joined: 21 Aug 2008 Posts: 59 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:08 pm    Post subject: is there anything i can do against these drawing fishes? Back to top mathman1115 Wizard of Odderation Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Posts: 3085 Location: Land of the Fightin' Phillies Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Last Man Danci wrote: is there anything i can do against these drawing fishes? Yeah, hope they keep doing it. That's also why i'd prefer a bigger raise on the flop. In most cases, you have to protect any hand that is vulnerable to draws, regardless of how strong it is. This villian is ultimate fish bait. Not only does he chase draws with incorrect odds, he gives up implied odd value from them when he does hit. That results in a player i'd sit with any day Back to top Last Man Danci Two Pair Joined: 21 Aug 2008 Posts: 59 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: I been losing a lot of pots lately to hands similar to this, I guess i just need to keep doing what I am doing in this hand? (except raising biggerpreflop) Back to top HuJwang Forum Blight Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Posts: 6431 Location: Halifax, NS Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: mathman1115 wrote: I don't know if its standard to limp with KJ 6 handed, but i would think not. fold or raise PF IMO. meh, i think raising > limping > folding. As for river I'm not entirely sure I like $3 as a bet size. The problem is you'll have so little money left behind if you get shoved on that it will make it very difficult to fold. I think maybe you can just go ahead and shove the river yourself. For that reason I think you kinda need to bet a little bigger on the turn as well, to make the river easier to shove without being an overbet. Try just potting it at $2 or so. Back to top Riddim Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8176 Location: Sweden Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:49 pm    Post subject: Raising pre isn't a 6max specific thing, you should be doing that in these spots no matter how many players there are at the table. I'd make it 0.25. Also, if you insist on not raising for some reason, I definitely disagree with mathman about this being a raise or fold type hand. It's just too strong in this spot to be classified that way. I'd raise about 0.10-0.20 more on the flop and add a similar amount to the turn bet as played. I'd also shove the river. Back to top Last Man Danci Two Pair Joined: 21 Aug 2008 Posts: 59 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject: Thanks guys I thought KJ is 1 of those "troubled hands" so I limped and see if the flop was good thats all, so raising would be better huh Back to top nilgiri Message Board Junkie Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 2110 Location: New Hampshire Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: I'd raise the flop slightly bigger and bet the turn a bit bigger. I personally would probably take the same line OTR, only because of how many people saw the flop and turn. I think it is more likely someone has a flush here than it would be had there only been one or two other people in the hand. Against a single opponent I would usually v-bet about 1/2 pot OTR, think, "I should fold" when he shoves, and then call anyway. I have no idea if this is the best line to take, though. Back to top Riddim Moderator Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 8176 Location: Sweden Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject: nilgiri wrote: I'd raise the flop slightly bigger and bet the turn a bit bigger. I personally would probably take the same line OTR, only because of how many people saw the flop and turn. I think it is more likely someone has a flush here than it would be had there only been one or two other people in the hand. Against a single opponent I would usually v-bet about 1/2 pot OTR, think, "I should fold" when he shoves, and then call anyway. I have no idea if this is the best line to take, though. Yeah, it's more likely that someone has a flush because more people saw the flop. However, it's also more likely that someone has a worse K. The only way villain's range changes because it's multiway is to the extent that his strategy changes because of it. Back to top HuJwang Forum Blight Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Posts: 6431 Location: Halifax, NS Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:52 pm    Post subject: Last Man Danci wrote: Thanks guys I thought KJ is 1 of those "troubled hands" so I limped and see if the flop was good thats all, so raising would be better huh Well, raising is better if you play competently postflop. A complete beginner may be better off folding and sticking to total premiums (and buying shorter while he's at it). If you want to become a strong winning player though, you will have to be raising these hands. Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Online Poker Forum Home -> No Limit/Pot Limit Strategy Discussion All times are GMT - 5 Hours Page 1 of 1 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

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