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Lucky 13 Aces · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:40 am Post subject:

Ok, If the blinds are 40-80 , 6 people limp, you have 1600 or so chips, AK, low level, just plain shove on them, worst case scenario is you lose to some idiot, or of course you can take down the limps which would represent a quarter of your stack in 6x80 = 480. Or your could double up on an idiot which calls you. The limit isn't the problem, it's just with AK and KQ, you want to either 1. Get to a showdown at these limits or 2. Scare them off. There is no such thing as raising High cards for value except, HU and 4 player max

ssditch · High Card Joined: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 8

Over 12 months ago I won over $1000 by playing tight in $5.50 tournaments on hollywood poker. That included a 1st and 2 2nds. After that I withdrew about $900, won back up to 700 then lost the lot as I totally forgot how I won the other tournaments. I started to get annoyed at being the short stack every single time I played. Started to play a variety of cards which eventually I won back over $600. The the lot again getting greedy and playing bigger buyins.

Now EVERYTIME I play I get bad beat after bad beat, called by rubbish that hits on the flop everytime when i miss everytime. I have cashed a few times but generally I get screwed over and over. I play live with friends and manage to win there so why is online so different? I really believe live poker is the only way to go and most of the pros don;t seem to play online all that much I have noticed.

So for someone who plays premium hands only, why is it when I do the allin with 2 pair does someone catch their flush or hit their str8 and even hit their trips?

Perfect example is.....AA v's 96 suited...Pre flop I raise 6 times the BB and get called by the 96. flop is 996......I go all in and get called. Turn card is a 6 and river card is...u guessed it...a 9. WTF????

entilt · Three of a Kind Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Posts: 77

Wayniac · Forum Pro Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 617

tjb111 · Royal Flush Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 885

i have to agree with Wayniac, 90person SNG's are more considered a MTT than a SNG. I take a SNG at max a 10person table, anything more than that and the variance is muchh greater

and ya, 20 buy ins really barely cuts it, i like 30 buy-ins before moving up if im consistantly winning (which i never am!), id rather have 30 buy-ins and lose 5 on a bad streak and not have to move down than have 20 buy-ins and lose like 2 and have to move down...

btw: i completely dont follow my own rules, but im gonna start to try to after my victory at 6k garuntee!

ALSO: if anyone wants to answer this for me, where do rebuy's fit in on the BR management rules. is it like treating a 3$ rebuy tourney like a 9 or 12$ tourney?

dcdoorknob · Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject:

LostOstrich · Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Tight Play Just Doesn't Work

Aron Norem · Pair Joined: 27 Feb 2008 Posts: 35

Chipengineer2, I couldn't agree more with your post. Some of the best pros in the world would say their style is tight/aggressive. It's a style based on counteracting what worse players do, which is play too many starting hands! You can further take advantage if you run into a player who has a hard time folding when they've hit the flop.

Now in response to the poster: Why even play KQ? AK is premium but can still get you into trouble, but KQ? You're crushed by AK and AQ, with AQ being grossly overplayed at lower levels. Don't get me wrong, there is a time and a place to play KQ, but i'm not sure early in a tournament when you're not sure how the rest of your table plays is the right time. The key to winning at these low levels is patience and playing premium hands and hoping they hold up. And if you lose for a bad beat, then you're just unlucky. You will just never beat these lower limits regularly until you show some tight standards for starting hands or you yourself get lucky. If most of your opposition appears to be "playing every hand" or "calling every raise" than I just can't think of a better way to win the game then waiting for good hands and hoping they win. I also strongly recommend that you read my blog which is listed in my signature. I have posted extensive strategy on this topic.

entilt · Three of a Kind Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Posts: 77

justlearnd2play · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:50 am Post subject:

well, in my opinion, play tight early, it doesnt kill u to start 2nd hr with 4 to 5 k , most of the crazy guys try and get chips early in hopes to cash( u know the 25k stack at 1st break) this is where the case hands come into play good. most big stacks in 2nd 3rd hr dont mind callin, figure out their calling range and Hope to hold up if they call u w/ 2nd pair ( many would, remember, they got those chips most of the time by outdrawing early). next, imo, patience, it helps alot playing bigger mtts, of course it wont work always, but it only takes one good placing on a final tbl to make up for any losses and then some. ive been doin this a while and still tryin not to get sucked out on the final tbs, but hey it happens, hang in there like all of us and have fun. and yes, raise raise raise, especially with a few limpers, figure out what it takes to get the mid hands out and go up aginst one person, unless ur willing to take a chance of tripling up or more if u hit, o ya remember the fold buttons always there too.gl

stenrick · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject:

mathman1115 · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject:

Yeah not cashing in 10+ tournaments with 45/90 players is not all that uncommon.

With that being said, if tight play isn't working, perhaps an adjustment needs to be made. Poker is about adjustments. If everyone at your table is playing tight, loosen up a little and be more aggressive. If everyone is limping a lot early on, raise them out and let them know that limping isn't allowed.

The basic idea is to determine what strategy the table as a whole is employing, and then take them down by playing the opposite. I'm not saying this will always work, but something to consider.

entilt · Three of a Kind Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Posts: 77

tito_lays · Two Pair Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 64

For a lot of people, they're more about gambling than playing poker, it's more of a cheap lottery ticket than anything. I can just see half these players going down to the gas station to try to recover their poker losses by buying a stack of Bingo tickets. And these type of people feed on the micro-stakes tourneys.

So you can bet your butt that if you make a 120 - 200 dollar pre-flop bet with AK in a $1 MTT, that you're running the risk of getting called down by anyone and everyone holding anything from Q 10, to A 5, to any 2 given cards that are suited. And you can bet your butt that they are also going to eventually hit that dream hand on you too. And sometimes they hit a lot.

I think any decent player having problems with $1 MTT's, are simply people who can't or won't improvise. They feel shoving or over betting your hand is stooping down to a different level...and you would be correct...but then paying only $1 to get into a tournament is stooping down also...so you've already taken that first step....just take the next and you'll do alright.

I recently went a very long dry spell in the $1 MTT's, but then I entered one of the .10 cent scheduled tourneys and took first place taking 321 dollar prize. I stress, as long as you're a decent player, your rewards will come, the donkey's will eventually lose everything, and then they'll refill, and that's what keeps this place running.

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