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andybrunson · High Card Joined: 22 Jun 2007 Posts: 15

All I can say is I am getting discouraged. I play well for hours only to lose to some complete donk, who has no business being in the hand but somehow always hits.

Break me off a piece of that kit kat bar

I have K J suited for spades
Player 2 Q 10 clubs
Player 3 88

Flop is As Kc 7s
Player 3 is all in
I reraise his all in another 8,000, am called by Player 2.
Turn is 7c
River 3c

P 2 wins with Flush Q high.

Really though? Im all in with the best pair, flush draw on the flop, to lose to a guy who calls all in with Q high and runner runner for flush? 30k chip pot with 5 players left.

How can people afford to play like this? I mean christ I have this guy crushed.

PBS-S · Two Pair Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 58

Well of course it's a suckout and you're quite a big favourite, but that's part of the 17% of cards that can come that you will lose to. It would be better if you could post the hand history so we can see all the information (stack sizes, positions, blinds etc.). what was the buy in and what stage was the tournament at?

sig1561 · Straight Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 116

Its hard to critique a hand w/o chip stack sizes, blinds, positions, reads on people, etc.

But plugging the above hand into cardplayer poker calc it says on the flop you have a 83% chance of winning the hand against both opponents. With two cards to come and an 83% chance to win I'd say its a bad beat for sure. But, like I said, you provide no real info as far as blinds and stack sizes go. This can be very important information.

For example, an extreme one indeed, playing in real life with some friends my little brother moved all in. He had 3x BB. I was chip leader by a ton of chips and I was BB. I called with 47. He had KK. I flopped 744. I won. Suckout? Yes. Is it also a justified play in a tournament? Especially on the bubble? Definintley.

(Plus the 74 was s000000000000ted, so duh I called!!!!!!!!!!)

Siggy

SOOOOOOOOOTED!

andybrunson · High Card Joined: 22 Jun 2007 Posts: 15

Sorry it was not more specific.
This was a 26$ 45 Player sit and go
It was the final table, 6 players left.

I had about 10,000 chips, Player 2 who hit the flush was stacked at about 20,000, Player 3 with 88 had roughly 6,000 chips. The blinds were 400/800, Player 2 small blind, Player 3 big blind, and I am last to act. If I win this pot I would take chip lead, down to 4 players with about 26,000 in chips.

I think this one hurt more then anything because I have been running pretty bad lately. Many times Ive made it to the final table, and in good position pushed all in(A10vK10, AKvAQ) but seem to lose every time. I would make this same play again, I could not have asked for a better hand. It just baffles me how he managed to hit in such terrible shape.

sig1561 · Straight Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 116

I'm trying to help but its still very hard. You mention no preflop action. You should set up "Hand History" through FTP so when this happens you can copy/paste it here. Then we have ALL the info except your personal reads on people.

Siggy

andybrunson · High Card Joined: 22 Jun 2007 Posts: 15

With the blinds at 4/800, I raised to 2800 because I felt like the chip leader was seeing alot of cheap flops. He called(p2) and player 3 pushed all in for another 3200 with 88. We both call and then on the flop I push all in for my last 7,000. I knew I had player 3, and if player 2 flopped the ace and called I had too many outs to fold.

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