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Grinder K
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 Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: I have a question |
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Ok heres the deal. Heads up Sit and Go live play.
I bluff someone on the river and before the hand is over he shows his pair of 6's. To try and pick up something or gain information. Eventually he calls with a pair of 6's and it was the right call. So instantly I muck my hand without thinking. Is it legal for him to muck his other card at this point? After I ask him twice to see it? |
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Riddim
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Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| Once you've mucked your hand it's dead and he wins the pot. Whether he chooses to show or muck is up to him afaik. |
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mattgt
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Location: Tin Can Bay Australia
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I have to disagree with you there Riddim. I am pretty sure if either player has called the last bet, they have paid for the right to see their opponents cards. It is bad etiquette to ask to see their cards but if requested they have to show them. That's why when you go to your hand history you can view your opponents mucked cards if it has come to a showdown.
99% sure, so if I'm wrong, don't beat me with a stick. |
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sig1561
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Once grinder mucked, he has no rights to the hand, whatsoever.
I do know in casinos they want to see both cards for the winning hand but that is only when someone else's cards are live. Check this out, say the villain hadn't showed any of his hand but said "I have a pair of sixes" and then grinder simply tosses in his cards to the muck, the villain doesn't have to even show the pair. He auto wins. So just because he showed one and grinder mucked, the other does not need to be showed.
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guitarguy178
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Location: St. Louis
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| sig1561 wrote: |
Once grinder mucked, he has no rights to the hand, whatsoever.
I do know in casinos they want to see both cards for the winning hand but that is only when someone else's cards are live. Check this out, say the villain hadn't showed any of his hand but said "I have a pair of sixes" and then grinder simply tosses in his cards to the muck, the villain doesn't have to even show the pair. He auto wins. So just because he showed one and grinder mucked, the other does not need to be showed.
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That depends on the casino. At Harrah's in St. Louis, if the hand goes to show down the winner must show both cards in order to claim the pot. I know at some casinos if a player mucks after showdown, then player with cards does NOT need to show his cards and can claim the pot. The only way to answer this question is to check with the house manager. If it was a home game, then house rules. |
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Wayniac
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I've got to side with mattgt on this one. If the hand goes to show down, it doesn't matter who has mucked. Anyone can ask to see the player's hand.
While at the main event, one guy kept raising every other hand. Eventually, after somebody showed a winning hand, the guy just mucked. Phil Gordon asked to see the guys hand since he had done the betting and it went to showdown. Phil Gordon wasn't even involved in the hand.
If it goes to showdown, you've got to show two cards to win, and anyone can request to see the hands at a showdown. |
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ynkpnt
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| Wayniac wrote: |
I've got to side with mattgt on this one. If the hand goes to show down, it doesn't matter who has mucked. Anyone can ask to see the player's hand.
While at the main event, one guy kept raising every other hand. Eventually, after somebody showed a winning hand, the guy just mucked. Phil Gordon asked to see the guys hand since he had done the betting and it went to showdown. Phil Gordon wasn't even involved in the hand.
If it goes to showdown, you've got to show two cards to win, and anyone can request to see the hands at a showdown. |
Now thats pretty bad etiquette imo.
This kind of sums it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg78-gEECfw
3:30-end |
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Wayniac
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| I kinda thought it might have been bad etiquette too, but the guy wasn't the nicest guy anyway. In fact he prided himself on not being nice. I think it was Phil Gordon's way of telling him to knock it off. |
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